Its always good to try!
Has anyone heard word if Moto is still planning on rolling out flagship phones with e/OS by 2027 still?
I heard Graphene. They’re doing e/OS as well?
I thought it was e/OS but you’re probably right.
Just double checked you’re right it is graphene their going with
Hope not fuck e/OS
I know very little about e/OS. TL;DR on the hate for them?
I mean both could exist.
I prefer graphene as well but e/OS could still improve and surprise us all in the future
That could be true if e/os actually cared about privacy and security
EU petition?
A Fairphone with GrapheneOS would be the tops
GrapheneOS doesn’t like Fairphone very much it seems…
GrapheOS doesn’t like anyone. I don’t even think they should be treated as part of open phone community. They are hostile to everything that they didn’t make.
They are hostile to those who dont genuinely care about privacy and security like fairphone and murena who also spend time spreading hate and disinformation about grapheneos and the devs and owner
I all for spreading hate of graphene os devs* but I don’t think Fairphone is doing anything like that. Any proof?
*Just kidding. I think they are toxic but and their opinions on many topics should be ignored but there’s no need to hate anyone.
what led you to this conclusion?
Hmmm, maybe something like this: https://www.androidauthority.com/fairphone-murena-software-response-grapheneos-claims-3579637/
Isn’t /e/os (murena) a seperate company from fairphone?
Yes, and I don’t know if it could even be classed as a collaboration. They just buy them and resell them with different firmware, basically?
I assume some part of acceptance is required for that in practice, but it isn’t like Fairphone ever advertised them as an official option (as far as I can tell or saw).
Well, Fairphone sells phones with e/OS preinstalled on their website so at the very least they like each other
So instead of seeing an opportunity to do the same, they burned bridges with one of the only companies not locking down their OS?
Security wise Fairphone isn’t up to GOS standards, so a collaboration wasn’t on the table either way.
If said standards are reasonable is a difficult thing to say. A few years ago I would’ve said that a normal person doesn’t need to be concerned that the police tries to break into their phone, but with the current state of things and the increasing rise of fascism, I’m not so certain anymore.
the graphene people never fail to stir pot. lol
they not wrong, but there’s better ways to inform other people.
They are just saying that e/OS has delays of important updates that lag. Which the fairphine team then pretty much confirmed.
Am I a dick for pointing out factual information? Are they? When it comes to something like security and privacy there should be no compromises. The truth should be heard.
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Sure would be the toppiest of tops!
We can encourage them to work together in their official communication channels too!
Would be good for both of them on every level. GrapheneOS learning to make their own phones, and Fairphone learning to make an OS while both being partnered
Edit: Be the change you want to see everybody!! Flood the gates with what we want!
Graphene already has a partnership with Motorola now so the assumption is some time (I’ve seen 2027 speculated) we may get a Graphene Phone from Motorola. Mixed feelings about them partnering with a company like that but we’ll see how it goes. I still keep thinking about finally getting a secondhand pixel 10 so I can switch to Graphene from apple.
I would recommend it. Very worth it overall (As a user of a similar Pixel phone)
What are your use cases?
Afaik Fairphone is not interested in implementing some security features that GrapheneOS people consider a deal breaker
I wonder why they don’t want to, its not really in Fairphones to not do that
They are talking about specific hardware features. Which would of course be great, but you can imagine how they are not exactly at the toppiest toppy top of Fairphone’s priorities, when they are still struggling to be taken seriously by your mainstream Android buyer.
Consider that every hardware features is extra hard for Fairphone, on account of their very specific commitments to materials sourcing, labor practices, and longer term support.
They are a company with a lot of very complicated demands, for a still very low volume of sold devices. They need to pick their battles, and clearly being blessed by the church of Graphene can’t be that high a priority.
Fairphones are scams
In what way(s)? There are a lot of things I like about it from the research I did. I only didn’t get one because of e/OS and the battery life.
Both tantalizingly close with respect to GrapheneOS. I wouldn’t expect Samsung to ever support the other two, but their phones are supposed to have every security element GOS expects. Only problem is that Samsung wants to make their own walled-garden ecosystem a la Apple.
I do remember reading somewhere that GrapheneOS are open to someone making a GSI (generic system image) port that would work with phones like Fairphone, which GOS don’t want to officially support due to a lack of security features. I wonder if anyone has started work on such a thing.
Samsung? They will not give a shit it huge corp
That’s true but you never know maybe in future they will. Definitely don’t see them doing it now. It would definitely be a hop on the wagon moment for them
If there’s enough pushback, they’ll eventually either do it or they’ll die.
The vast majority of users don’t care about these things, though
I’m not buying another phone until there’s one with no Android in it that appeals to my needs.
It would be nice to buy a phone that officially support GrapheneOS. I dont want to thinker with phones. I can image it is going to be the same experience as going from Windows to Linux. Things would actually work in a good way as a user wants to instead of locked down requirements.
GrapheneOS has partnered with Motorola and were supposed to see phones that come with GOS sometime in 2027
It’s pretty funny that out of all the manufacturers Graphene doesn’t find acceptable, they went with Motorola in the end lmao. Were Nokia and Ericsson not available?
I wonder if that’s influenced by inventory control industry. Motorola/Zebra has been in that industry in a way that Samsung/apple/LG hasn’t been and they run Android now almost by default. I’ve used some older windows ce devices and modern ones are using Android, having more control over the device would be a huge advantage for those devices.
Next time you see someone doing inventory/receiving try and get a look at what devices they are using.
I’f put my money on a repairable Huawei phone
These fuckers don’t let you unlock the bootloader, so they can burn for all I care. So far, google have the best record, then oneplus, fairphone and alike (easy to unlock the bootloader, no point or ability to relock with custom keys), then mb xiaomi (beg corporate overlords for the ability to unlock the bootloader on YOUR FUCKING PHONE) and slmsung (loose the option to unlock the bootloader on newer firmware versions, loose security features on older ones), and then huawei/crapple who don’t let you unlock the bootloader at all
Well I understand your point but don’t think google will remain the 1st in your rankings for much time
Idk, honestly. On one hand, they’re on the clear path to enshitify android into a wannabe walled garden. On the other hand, the bootloader is still unlockable and relockable, and I personally liked what they did with pixel 10 in terms of repair ability
I remember the GrapheneOS team saying that they won’t bring their OS to Fairphone, because the Fairphones don’t bring hardware support for security measures the GrapheneOS team doesn’t want to compromise on.
Definitely feels like a supply chain issue on parts for Fairphone to have this position. Hopefully Fairphone, GrapheneOS, and hardware venders can work this out on a later model.
Take anything the lead dev of GrapheneOS says with a grain of salt. He’s a little… Um, special.
While his perceptions of other people’s motives and meanings may be suspect, his technical analysis seems pretty spot on.
His technical chops are without question. However he has been so over the top obnoxious to MANY other leaders in the privacy space. He really hurts his own cause by refusing to acknowledge there are other threat models that can be solved with other answers.
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One might argue it would be more difficult to do if you’re not a little paranoid.
Let’s call a spade a spade: He is a raging asshole with severe clinical paranoia. I’m literally certain that if he saw this post he’d accuse me of being a shill for calyxos and to never fucking again interact with any grapheneos account. Both have happened to me before (Hence I refuse to ever interact with his troupe again, even though I use graphene and agree with the vast majority of its technical decisions; I have also stopped actively recommending it to anyone, the social media experience is simply way too attrocious).
I wasn’t going to go THAT far . . . but I can’t disagree with a word you wrote. Take my upvote.
So just to verify you still use it because you realize and know its the most secure option.
Idk maybe our threat models are different but I could care less if someone is an asshole or a paranoid schizophrenic - as long as I am having the most private and security conscious user experience available then who cares?
You could still recommend it, since you already seem to know it is the most secure or else you most likely would have switched by now, but just explain that the social media side of it can be disheartening.
I will say, I’ve never had a single problem in any of the GOS forum pages on there website. Not a single one.
I cannot, in good conscience, recommend a project with a lead that is as verbally abusive and utterly unable to appreciate even highly constructive criticism as Micay, technical merits notwithstanding. I am fine when others recommend it though.
He stepped down as lead in 2023 but I do think he is still one of the directors or something like that. He doesn’t use social media anymore either because most people feel like you did about it and he was a dick I’ll admit that.
But man small price to pay for the most proven security on phones in my opinion.
Honestly if I had to deal with degooglers and Linux fanboys as much as he did I’d probably go batshit insane. Kudos to him
Ya. Short term Motorola for Graphene, long term any that support postmarketos
Fairphone has their own with /e/OS
I owned a fairphone with e/os but what murena does feels a bit overbearing so i would be really happy about more support for other choices (also im planning/hoping to use the old phone as a small server after putting some linux on it and removing the unneccesarry hardware after setup wich would be greatly helped with proper support)
So yes: they have their own
But: options
I’m posting this reply from FP6 /e/OS. I have no complaints. I think experience can vary depending on the apps ecosystem that one is part of.
Same and well, government & banking apps dont work. And there are sometimes other quirks with apps, so its not painless, but for the most part it’s okay.
Fairphone should focus on helping the Linux options move along, no need waste resources on GOS, just another android ROM
Long term android should die off in place of Linux but its a long road
Have UT running on a Nord phone, they have made good strides over the years, appreciate their dedication
Agreed that Fairphone should do more but in all fairness, they already do some, at least. They sell their phones with /e/OS (French de-Googled Android) and it’s easy to unlock the boot loader. I’m typing this from my Fairphone 3+ with /e/OS and I had Ubuntu Touch installed for years.
It 👏 should 👏 be 👏 the 👏 law 👏 .
I don’t know how they managed to sneak locking a system to a single boot loader. And what about Qualcomm chips? They have a hypervisor OS, you say? A small operating system that can read all your memory? Updated as firmware?
Great, forcibly open source that system as well and tell them once and for all that they can fuck off. No, you don’t get to control another persons property - you disgusting goblin.
Either that, or ban the sale of such devices permanently across Europe.
That too! I covered that in another of my recent posts on the Europe community on here
That is a big thing Europe can at least make happen and in Asian/African/Latin countries too.
I like your addition though that is all facts!! Let’s keep pushing countries to make that happen.
To make them undo what Google is trying to do currently and what Apple does for long time to have all those devices be fully changeable for the OS
Needs to become a movement everywhere!!! Just as StooKillingGames, and the KeepAndroidOpen movements
We need a catchy name for it
Can you give me some reading on this? I am happy to make noise about an issue once I understand it.
There’s a lot of writing and history behind open source, open firmware and even open hardware, but the BIGGEST thing you can focus on is the transition from PCs to smartphones around the 2000s.
We went from you installing whatever boot loader and operating system that could run on your device, to a locked down boot loader that would only load the vendors operating system.
They hide behind security through obscurity, but it’s been debunked. The boot loader and even firmwares of devices have in certain cases been found to be gushing gashes of CVEs and bad coding - but only through decompilation and reverse engineering. In fact, after the 5 year warranty of your device is up, you should consider the security of your device highly suspect.
The true purpose for an exclusive locked down boot loader is to maintain operating system monopoly, force uninstallable apps/services on a user, to then be able to track & canvas the user to sell on the data brokerage market - not to mention planned obsolescence, because if you can’t freely modify and update your firmware and/or boatloader, you could secure it for more than 5 years.
For a more balanced take and to see “both sides”, read this
Other than that, the LibreBoot mailing list will help you to unearth the hypocrisy and lies fed to us by hardware vendors.
Free the firmware, free the bootloader, free the operating system, free the drivers, free the software - and then the user can decide wether or not they want to run commercial software on top of all this.
Anything else is subservience.
Thanks for this, I am interested in the philosophy around FOSS, I am tech illiterate basically and like foss because I trust it more than US tech.
OEM’s
Or just OEMs, even.
Fairphone? perhaps. Samsung? hell naw. Samsung heavily benefits from the spyware it builds into One UI and 99% of its user base do not care about the spyware.
But I do hope hope that Fairphone begins to embrace Linux support.What is the bottleneck holding Fairphone back from supporting Linux fully?
Qualcomm
@viov @pineapple That they are not fair et all. A really fair phone should start at that you can install its OS from a pendrive. Fairphone is a big f.g lie.
Per GOS: Samsung has almost all hardware requirements to support GOS except… they purposely cripple their device upon installation of a third party OS. One can only suspect they indeed make money with their spyware stack!
Samsung heavily benefits from the spyware it builds into One UI and 99% of its user base do not care about the spyware.
They go out of their way to ensure that it cannot be disabled even if you do care about the spyware and try to uninstall or disable it.
