• CerebralHawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    6 months ago

    The last one is probably true, though. Most Android users don’t care about sideloading. Those who are being pressured to do so will face the 24 hour lock.

    On the other hand, I’m an iPhone user who knows Android as well as anyone. So if I were to pick up, say a Pixel 11 Pro or a Galaxy S27 (so, looking at next year’s lineup), the first thing I’m gonna do is hit that developer option to enable sideloading. I know where it is. I know how to unlock it. And I know the risks. In the meantime I’m gonna set up Nova Prime, I’m gonna put Poweramp on it, I’m gonna be setting up KLCK and KLWP (and maybe KWGT) and all the other apps. By the time I need to sideload anything, I’ll have the important stuff out of the way and shouldn’t have to wait that long.

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      6 months ago

      The way I understood it is you have to wait 24 hours every time, not just for activating dev options.

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        6 months ago

        I Google page I read was the opposite of that. The first time you unlock sideloading, they’ll warn you and make you wait for a day. From then on it’s unlocked.

        While I hate Google with a passion, and don’t trust them at all, this seems like a reasonable way to handle the issue of non tech people being coerced into sideloading unsavory apps by scammers.

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          6 months ago

          It just sounds like they came up with an excuse to try and be non-compliant with the European Union’s ruling that they’re an illegal Monopoly

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          Okay, if that’s indeed the case, it’s at best worst patronising, yes.

          (This leaves of course the other, bigger issues of added hurdles to developers)

          Edit: Worst is the word.

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        6 months ago

        I said Nova Prime. That’s the paid version.

        I know what they’re doing to free users, and it’s a shame. No one ever said anything about the paid version.

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          it is still the same company. if you think they respect your privacy just because you paid them, that is on you. but bragging about it publicly in a comment where you try to sound like super experienced user seems funny.

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      This means though that now the important stuff HAS to come from the play store or you have a 24-hour penalty every time you get a new phone.

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        6 months ago

        How often do you get a new phone? My Galaxy S10 from 2019 still kicks ass. It doesn’t do any of the Galaxy AI stuff, and I’m okay with that.

        I really don’t think the 24 hour thing matters all that much. If it’s the first thing you do when you get the new phone, and then you start setting stuff up, by the time you want to go looking for stuff to sideload, a lot of that time’s down the drain.

        It also begs the question of — and magnifies the silence of the lack of answers to a deafening roar — what actually needs to be sideloaded, let alone what is so crucial the 24 hours is any kind of a pain point. Worst case scenario, you hold onto your old phone for those 24 hours, before wiping it and selling it (or whatever you do).

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    There is an even worse consequence. If the “advanced flow” is managed by Google Play Services, under the current mechanism, scammers can simply tell their victims to disable Google Play Services. Consequently, Google could block the ability to disable their proprietary blobs under the pretext of “protecting users”.

    “Sideloading” is obviously a ridiculous term made by Google. Is there anything called like this on Windows?

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    Bruh screw android and its updates, it fucked up and it keeps getting worse, its updates are very occasional, at least if they were worthy then fine i’m with ya, but no, they are just junk, they slow down my phone and are many times buggy; it keep restricting users and developers under the term of ‘security’, go fuck ur security, I know what I’m doing, either gimme full control over my property or fuck off. This is MA phone NOT urs!

    When I get a new phone, I’ll either find a way to get an old android version like v10, or just find another system.

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      I’m not going to spend good money on another Android phone and because of this. I used to be willing to tolerate it to some extent but I’m done now. Any further Android devices are going to be low-end burner phones for a specific needs that I can’t meet otherwise. Having a Linux phone is now a matter of necessity not something that would be nice to have

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        I highly doubt 2026 will be the year of the Linux handheld. But if Linux on the desktop continues growing the way it currently is, it could lay the groundwork for Linux on handhelds.

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          We really can’t find a sincere friendly OS like Linux. I wish Linux and other friendly phone systems had more hardware support. Android is dominating with its “I’m the ruler” philosophy, bc Google knows the alternatives are limited.

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          Realistically, I don’t think any year will be the year when Linux for mobile takes off, ironically for the same reason why Windows Phone failed, and that is app availability, or the “will my banking app work on it?” problem.

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    What kind of apps are there that “typically” need to be installed “urgently”? Sure I can work around the delay most of the time (and be at worst annoyed out of my brain by it) but that’s not how a user experience is meant to be designed, is it?

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      6 months ago

      Putting barriers is a systemic disadvantage and we’re right to criticize it, especially since once they establish the president that they’re allowed to do this they can go farther. That always happens and every time you’re told you’re being ridiculous stop overreacting

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      Anything I want right now that Google is blocking me from is urgent.

      How long am I supposed to beg to use my own device?

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      6 months ago

      For a couple of years we directly loaded our app onto dedicated devices that we deployed to client locations. Adding an extra day to this process would require some extra work / planning.

      This is for an app that isn’t on the Play Store, and many of these devices don’t have GMS, or a store or browser on them.

      We’ve since moved entirely to an MDM, so this isn’t really an issue anymore, but we do occasionally run into a device that’s not yet been enrolled and still uses the manual installation

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      Hate to break it to you, but this is just the next assfucking in a long line of assfuckings. Your phone already won’t let you:

      • Unlock the bootloader without wiping all the data on your phone (or some won’t let you unlock it at all)
      • Run “sensitive” apps if you have the audacity to run code that isn’t approved by the manufacturer
      • Have admin or root rights to the phone you fucking bought and paid for without it marking your phone as “insecure”

      I mean, maybe, hopefully, this will finally be the assfucking that wakes us the fuck up.

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        the majority of people would like to have a piece of my paycheck, so I’m giving some away

        -statements dreamed by the utterly deranged

        -cunts that write shitty articles like this

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          I feel like this is terribly unfunny but mom didn’t make no bitch so I’m not deleting it

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        Which is not our problem.

        If they are stupid they need education. Not rubber tiles and safety fences.

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      The majority of people have 2 arms. So why bother with prosthetics or research into biofeedback?

      See, it’s flawless logic /s

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    Are there any real statistics about the real number of scams deployed via “sideloading non verified apps?”

    I do not know the number. But I don’t think there are that many cases. Most scams I’ve seen have been via web or via a normal app downloaded on the appStore.

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      Scams require some level of idiocy, complacency or distractedness to pull off. If you’re going out of your way to install non-standard apps you’re likely paying enough attention not to fall for it.

      If youre getting a mark to install something on their phone, you’d probably have just as much luck getting them to sent you a Western Union cheque.

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    Patrick you should go fuck yourself, you are not different from that low life systemd age field PR asshole