That’s my point. Kids aren’t even at risk of circumventing age restrictions so requiring IDs or banning VPNs is targeting adults privacy. Not protecting kids.

I wear a ladies 5 (US), and have high arches and 6 figure student loan debt.

Don’t low ball me, I know what I have.

Negotiations open.

/s

Yeah there is a difference between the pimp and the john.

And i still think Clinton should go to prison if he had sex with girls or trafficked women.

But that’s not nearly at the level of punishment I think is fit for Trump , Epstein (assuming he’s still alive) , maxwell, and all the others who raped children and engaged in violence and torture with them. And of course the men who funded Epstein’s enterprise. And shielded him.

I also think any women who helped him deserves pretty bad punishment. You can be a victim and a predator. So their own victimizing doesn’t get them off.

They broke an even more sacred pact between women.

Women believe other women can be trusted. We always have each other. We always look out for each other. Especially from a man trying to hurt us. We warn each other.

Women need this. We depend on it.

But they used this against girls and other women to lure them into danger.

Unforgivable.

Which is stupid. Kids aren’t using vpns. Most good ones cost money. And kids aren’t very tech savvy these days.

Most grow up with phones and tablets only. They don’t even know how to use a keyboard or a PC.

Yeah they have tried to prosecute women for miscarriages. Basically saying women cause them on purpose.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/brittany-watts-miscarriage-bathroom-charged-rcna135861

The right wing conservatives often have these weird paradoxical beliefs. Like Mexicans are lazy but also stealing everyone’s jobs.

They believe women are designed to be baby incubators and are natural caregivers, but we are also naturally baby killers and have to be watched and kept from killing all the babies.

It’s ridiculous.

A lot of cycle trackers right now sell that data and there is some concern it could be used to find women who have miscarried and charge them with a crime.

Something like your idea is safer for women to use.

Liberals are by their definition against using force on others.

Are you just pretending or genuinely ignorant of how little power the people have on what politicians do ?

They lie to us. They get elected. They vote how they want. We have literally no way to remove them.

Israel uses social media and money to get their picks promoted and elected.

You greatly over estimate the power of individual citizens.

I never voted for genocide. But people who didn’t vote did. Because they knew trump was going to start wars.

Go on and pretend you are above it all. But I don’t see you fixing anything. I dont see you running for office.

I don’t see you promoting the right people.

You just pretend by doing nothing , you are not responsible.

Sure.

Democratic people are liberal. That’s actually the definition I have provided you.

The one that is universal.

You can make up your own definition.

I can say dogs have wings. Doesn’t make it true.

So if I didn’t vote. That would absolve me ?

This is like arguing with a brick wall.

I’ll just call up trump right now and tell him to stop this awful war cause I definitely have that kind of power.

Sweden has socialized medicine and education.

You contribute to capitalism as much as any other citizen.

Do you buy things?

Do you work for money?

You promote capitalism too. Even by being on Lemmy. You promote capitalism.

Your mental gymnastics to blame other citizens is ridiculous.

There are actual people responsible. And they aren’t your fellow powerless neighbors.

They are as guilty as you are.

What atrocities has your country done?

If you voted you caused it. If you didn’t vote you let others cause it so you caused it by your inaction.

That’s your logic.

If I’m guilty than you are equally at fault friend.

But you can sit here and point fingers at your fellow man instead of blaming the actual people responsible.

You are just as bad as those blaming immigrants for all their problems.

I never voted for genocide.

I only voted for Kamala to keep trump from getting elected.

How are you blaming me for genocide.

As if I had any power over that.

Are you responsible for everything your government does?

I never disagreed with the capitalism problem. It’s at the root and until it’s addressed, it will inevitably lead to ruin. You won’t get any argument from me there on that one.

But many still think socialism can exist in a regulated capitalist society.

Neither of us thinks so, but I can understand why some do think that’s possible. And I’m not going to criticize them for all the problems that are caused by this when there are other groups at a much greater fault.

Socialism in capitalism has semi worked (let me explain what I mean by “worked”,) at a surface level. And especially looks promising when being viewed remotely.

For instance an American may look at Sweden and say "look how well socialism is working there ".

And it looks like it is working. Free healthcare. Equality. Better educated.

But you and I know it’s unsustainable and will always be in decline because that’s how capitalism works. It demands sacrifice after sacrifice. Profits must continue to increase. Finite resources must be used faster than they can regenerate. And this of course is not sustainable long term.

But many people don’t see this aspect of things. They just see that things in Sweden look much better than they are here. And they see socialism working. Dare I say “perfected” from the perspective.

Not everyone is capable of following cause and effect long term. Or tracing back problems to their sources.

So. This is getting long but. I study psychology. My area is perception and cognition but I’ve also studied social.

To make a short as point as possible. For a society to exist cohesively, most members need to be “sheep”. It’s the only way they will cooperate and collectively follow rules.

But a society needs people who challenge things. Or progress never happens.

If you have too many of those types, they all think they know best. And they all just fight constantly.

The masses will follow whichever one appeals to their existing ideals the most.

Existing ideals that are a product of the environment they grew up in.

I do think there is a level of personal responsibility here that is real. But at the same time I acknowledge that most people are incapable of going very far from the cultural ideas they were raised with. Liberals want a better world. They just can’t let go of capitalism because they were raised in capitalism and they can’t imagine it any other way. They are ignorant of where capitalism leads.

This doesn’t mean they deserve to be lumped in with the anti-social fascist on the right.

They aren’t the same.

That doesn’t make it right wing. It makes it a failed left ideology.

Really. Cause that sounds like Republicans rhetoric.

This is your opinion. That’s not the definition in various online resources.

You don’t get to make up definitions whenever you like to push your narrative.

What people call themselves and what they actually stand for are not necessary the same.

Labor party in Britain is a good example.

Often party names start from historic ideologies that change over time.

Other times, a misleading word is used to intentionally obfuscate what their party /group / organization is doing.

It’s common in the U.S to give bills and laws that fuck the people over the most names like “citizens United”. Or “the save act”.

When these both are destructive to the people.

Any supremacist is not, by it’s very definition of being discriminating, liberal.

Liberal is against bigotry of any kind. That’s a core foundation. It supports equality.

Why are you under the impression that only white racist are alt right and all other kinds are liberals?

That’s not how that works.

You can hate whites. Mexicans. Jews. Men, etc. Any support of group discrimination is right wing by its definition because liberals specifically is against bigotry.

No liberal supports that.

Literally none.

Give me a source that says they do.

They are all anti Israel. Hell, half of the right wing conservatives are also anti Israel.

That’s a moot point.

I agree capitalism will stop progress.

But if these individuals support social progress, even if they incorrectly believe it can be achieved within capitalism, this does not make them Republicans.

The distinction between left and right in the U.S is democratic and Republic ideologies.

Social progressives vs traditionalists.

Support for capitalism is not the dividing line. It never has been.

You can all pretend liberals are the cause of all your problems.

The right wing is the actual cause of our slip into fascism. They worked to get their own people into every seat. Plenty of blue maga. These are not actual liberals. They only ran as Dems to get elected.

The right wing conservatives are the ones stripping women of rights. Of trans peoples rights.

It’s sure as fuck not the liberals.

I’ve given multiple definitions of liberals from multiple sources and you all just pretend that’s not the definition.

That your personal definition is the “real” one and call anyone who disagrees as uninformed.

I can use Google. Apparently you cannot.

You don’t get to just make up your own definition and push it and pretend that everyone else , all other sources are wrong.

And besides.

Instead of blaming liberal progressives who push for civil rights , environmental controls, and taxes on the rich, you should consider what it is that you have contributed to this country by pretending to be better than the people actually advocating for these progressive changes.

What have you done to make this country better?

You remind me of those Christian fundamentalist who think they are better than everyone else because they stick to rules they made up.

Honestly it all feels like you all must either be grifters or infiltrators.

No one believes this b.s that liberals are the problem right now.

We all know it’s the conservatives. The Republicans. The right wing and especially the alt right.