• nyankas@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    This is a fantastic example of using selective information to mislead people. It‘s completely omitting important details like

    1. France‘s much older population (malnutrition deaths are much more common in the elderly)
    2. Data reliability (France‘s data is very comprehensive, while data from countries with authoritarian governments is less reliable; the IHME tries to (opaquely) compensate for that, but that‘s only possible by imputation and modeling, which is less reliable by definition)
    3. Differences in recording deaths (France has a multiple-cause-of-death recording system, while many other countries only record a single cause; this means malnutrition as a result of another disease is much more likely to be recorded in France)
    4. Ignoring counterexamples (include Germany, the UK, Austria, New Zealand or many other countries with a capitalist system and suddenly it doesn‘t really seem like there‘s any correlation between a country’s system and malnutrition deaths)

    Sorry, but this graphic can only be seen as plain propaganda, if you actually look into the data it‘s based on.

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      2 months ago

      Data from authoritarian countries is less reliable

      Part of the ideology of white-supremacy, is that proximity to whiteness means trustworthiness and authenticity, and distance from it means untrustworthiness.

      So white supremacists think only the western countries (and their allies like South Korea, Japan, and other US military base countries) data and educational institutions can be trusted, while the numbers coming from any country opposed to them must inherently be a lie.

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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        2 months ago

        A bit odd coming from the instance currently trying to fake a Neo-Nazi takeover of an anarchist instance just because Feddit.org and Lemmy.world admins got outed as Zionists.

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        2 months ago

        westerners – americans in particular – live in a strange world where reality is treated like propaganda and propaganda is treated as natural human reality; i know this to be true because i also once believed it.

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      Regarding point 1, this is relatively true.

      Regarding point 2, all of these states are “authoritarian,” the difference being which class has authority, and which classes has authority imposed upon them. Cuba, the PRC, and Vietnam are all socialist countries with the working class in charge of the state, while France, Europe, and the US are all imperialist countries/regions where capitalists control the state and impose their authoritarian rule upon the working classes.

      Regarding point 3, this could be a possible explanation but requires actual backing.

      Regarding point 4, it’s important to compare not just systems dogmatically, but against peers, and what came before. Germany, the UK, Austria, etc. are all imperialist countries, and thus have greater access to resources. It matters both how much resources you have, and what you do with them. Socialist countries have more pro-social policy that stretches resources farther.

      In total, it certainly is propaganda in that it’s trying to convey a specific point for a specific aim, just like your comment can be considered propaganda. You offer some decent ideas of how to improve the data, but you also insert your own biases without backing them up, and run into metaphysical errors regarding how these are compared (such as ignoring levels of development and imperialism).

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      “Data from authoritarian countries is less reliable”

      Uh-oh.

      Please tell me, which countries/peninsulae on the graph are authoritarian, and which are not.