And that distro, or rather distro family is Fedora Atomic distros.
Anyone completely switching off windows needs a bulletproof system, and you just can’t get that with other distros. Especially if you’re allowed to modify system files. Universal Blue is the only project I’d consider to be aligned with this idea.
- For the non programmer: Aurora
- For the developer: Blue Fin
- For the gamer: Bazzite
Users can install new apps via the Bazaar, or command line tools via homebrew. And that’s it.
If you want to mess around with other systems, you can use distro shelf or a spare computer. But if you’re a newbie, I wouldn’t even recommend Linux Mint anymore.
My daily distro is EndeavourOS btw.
Nope.
Hate to keep litigating this around here, but the shift alone is enough. Explaining to people WTF an immutable filesystem is a sure way to frustrate them into giving up, despite whatever comms finesse you might THINK you have.
Counterpoint: STOP SUGGESTING IMMUTABLE DISTROS TO NEW USERS
For people who just want a functional OS, they don’t want to have to think about new rules. They need a quick off-ramo from Windows that acts as they expect.
Package management is already enough a mindfuck for people switching, then you’re throwing in containers, permissions, flatpack vs native packages, what sandboxing is, why your browser likely can’t just upload a simple fucking file, and why your camera doesn’t work on Zoom, because you have a meeting in 10 minutes.
Unless you are handing people something akin to a mobile OS with everything all inclusive and configured so EVERYTHING works off the bat, you’re doing such a huge disservice to people switching over, and there is ZERO benefit, but added frustration.
You need to stop, and I yield my time.
This is so based. I applaud.
You’re throwing around all these buzzwords making it seem more complicated than it already is. A container is literally just an isolated process. That’s it. No need to explain how the kernel treats it. They wony won’t even ask for it unless they’re ready to ditch the Atomic life.
And remember this is for absolute newbies. One sure way to make someone hate linux isn’t to tell them they can’t fuck up their system. It’s to let them fuck it up and then call them an idiot when it happens. (I’m sure you wouldn’t do that)
Not everyone has the time and energy to make their OS their hobby, and if you’re not gonna be their sysadmin, i how can you trust they won’t fuck up their system?
You might say they deserve to have their system ruined, but that is no way to make a Linux convert.
See, you say that as a Linux user.
Ordinary folks don’t talk or think like Linux people. Nobody understands what a “process” is, let alone what a container is or what isolation means.
And if somebody is used to “pres butan get bacon” anything else is going to sound like gobbledygook.
Also: a modern distro running gnome or KDE is harder to screw up. Folks don’t need to use clunky package managers like Synaptics. As a result, they are less likely to break things.
My whole point is you can throw Bazzite at someone non-technical and not have to tell them any of the gobbledygook.
I’m only explaining it here in the thread because I assume you guys are technical enough to understand what I’m saying.
you literally took a more approachable, commonly used word, and turned it into jargon that any 50 year old is going to roll their eyes at.
When would that ever come up in normal convention?
“How do I download office?”
“Use the store”
ok, same goes for debian with kde. “oPeN dIsCoVeR”
Sorry to say, but there’s a lot questionable stuff found within your comment. But I will try to limit the discussion around some of the more egriogous ones.
I don’t understand what’s so hard to understand about (some) core system files being read-only, i.e. you can’t change/modify it. Can you help me understand why that would cause so much frustration?
Countering the counterpoint with an anecdote: I cold turkey switched from Windows to Fedora Silverblue almost 4 years ago. Bazzite (or other uBlue images) weren’t even around back then. And, somehow, I managed. And there are many other testimonials that point out something similar. Are you ignoring this empirical evidence? If so, on what basis?
Come on, you know that’s not true. Perhaps the following formulation could be true: “I suppose there is ZERO benefit to me (and others like me)”.