• 18107@aussie.zone
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    4 days ago

    I really wanted GrapheneOS, but ended up with /e/OS on a fairphone because I refuse to give Google any more money.

    After replacing the default launcher with Lawnchair, I’m pretty happy with it. The physical switch (remapped to control the torch) is a nice touch.

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      3 days ago

      I don’t understand. Do you not know that buying second hand means the company does not get your money? I bought a second hand Pixel 8 at the end of 2024 just to put GrapheneOS on it, and I also refuse to give Google money.

      I bought my Mum a Pixel 8 also this year, and put GrapheneOS on it - also second hand.

      Either way, I’m happy for you that you ended up with a private phone, I just don’t understand why so many people seem to forget that second hand is a way of not supporting companies.

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        3 days ago

        Yes buying second hand stops you giving your money to Google, however it still supports ppl buying them in the first place. And that supports Google.

        I wish there was more options in the Graphene space as it’s something I’d love to tinker with too. But also don’t wanna buy from Google.

        Hence why I go back to hoping projects like pinephone take off (albeit I’m realistic of the chances of that happening)

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          3 days ago

          however it still supports ppl buying them in the first place. And that supports Google.

          that’s not how second hand purchasing works

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            3 days ago

            It kind of does, most of my tech friendly family members refuse to buy Chinese phones, not because they care about privacy but because they have no resale values. They only buy iphones, samsung and google.

            If Google secondhand market crashes, I’m pretty sure some of them drop Google from their acceptable phone list. I’m not saying it’s direct impact of Google, but at least it’s indirect in the sense they will not buy Google next time.

            So if you buy secondhand Google 8, you are part paying your sellers next Google pixel 10. It’s a bit mental gymnastics, but not baseless theory.

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    4 days ago

    Worth it. Try any Samsung phone with Google’s shit and Samsung’s shit on top: I swear you these one are practically unusable, like you carrying an bloated mini-ad-computer with you. A implanted bug in your teeth or ass would hurt probably less then this. Before I use any of those, I rather use a “dumb” phone again.

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      4 days ago

      Debloating an S10 was removing a long list of shit. I have seen the list only got longer with the newer models indeed. But one can survive, with the right tools.

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      4 days ago

      It’s not that they have a deal with Google, it’s that Google’s hardware security is best bar none except maybe iPhone. And Graphene is the best way to degoogle, as counter intuitive as it may seem. They are working with other manufacturers to get these security requirements for new phones so Graphene can be put on them.

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        Hardware security is largely irrelevant. It makes sense for some use cases, mine everyday use is not one of them. There are much more important threat vectors, such as all the acounts of the cloud services I use.

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      Why, because you can’t afford it (reasonable), because you think it helps Google (unreasonable), because you think it’s a privacy risk (unreasonable), or because it feels icky (unreasonable)?

      The profits from Pixel hardware sales are a drop in the bucket for Google. I’m pretty sure the only reason it exists is so they can have insight and control over the hardware ecosystem, as without it they’d be driven by whatever Samsung wants to do.

      The walled Android ecosystem is where they make the bulk of their money, and Graphene actively pulls people away from that and to something objectively better. Graphene is fully de-Googled and safe from their spyware, and exists outside of their business model. Using and promoting Graphene actively hurts Google, even if you have them $1k for a phone.

      Also, there are plenty of cheap second hand pixels on ebay, and Google doesn’t see a penny from those sales. Recycling is good for the planet anyways.

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      4 days ago

      While a terminal solution, that’s not a real solution. I’ll agree replacing everything 1:1 isn’t the way we should go. But, we have the technology and infrastructure to enjoy having a mini-PC we can hold in our hand while also maintaining our privacy and avoiding enshitified applications.

      It doesn’t have to be a zero-sum game.

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        Nah, fuck them. They were no different from Google and Apple, and had monopolistic tendencies as well. If anything, Google is the lesser evil since Android is at least open source, whereas BB10 was as locked down as iOS.

        Blackberry also killed/sold off their hardware teams, so they have no capacity to make a comeback. All they have left is their nostalgia-loaded brand.

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          Idk it depends on your reasons for the comparison. I believe they had monopolistic tendencies (as do both Google and Apple, so does Nintendo regarding its hardware as well) but the last time I checked they weren’t nearly as focused on surveillance.

          I mostly just mean there is a market right now for physical keyboards. That is the extent of depth I intended with this comment. I’m not educated enough in hardware markets to speak on Blackberrys place in them or their ethics.

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    4 days ago

    Buying new is still screwing yourself over. Buy second hand and take advantage of all the fools thinking they have to upgrade every year.

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    4 days ago

    I’m glad that GrapheneOS exist, and it’s sad that they are the exception and not the rule.

    I think projects like CalyxOS and LineageOS should adopt some feature from GrapheneOS like contact/storage scopes, sandboxed Google Play Services, Network and Sensor toggles.

    At the same time, I think GrapheneOS needs to reevaluate their presence in social media.

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    4 days ago

    I couldn’t do it myself. Ended up going Fairphone and Calyx instead. Just patiently waiting for Calyx to start releasing again.

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      I hope they’re not ending the project. They were pretty comfortably the best Graphene alternative but you’ll need security updates.

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        They’re still working on it. Getting closer and closer to releasing again. No timeline unfortunately though.

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        4 days ago

        True. The OG GrapheneOS alternative was DivestOS, which actually pulled a lot of features from Graphene. Still so sad that project ended

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      I’m on the same boat; FP4 + CalyxOS. Do you know have they (Calyx) confirmed anything about the projects future? Last I heard was in around december, and things were quite uncertain back then.

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        They’re getting closer. Last update was end of Feb. Most of their updates seem to about security stuff I don’t understand, but it’s nice to see they’re working on it.

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    4 days ago

    I still have my CAD $210 Google credit from Google because they throtted my Pixel, and I might let it expire because I want a Fairphone instead.

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      4 days ago

      I hâte this reminder too. But the constant playsyore is missing permissions is a reward. Yes stay here little software keep complaining, your owner can go fuck them self.

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      5 days ago

      That still drives sales and demand for future manufactured Pixels… Google thanks you for your patronage.

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          Agreed! The shocking part for me is how few folks are forgetting the most basic tenets of high school econ, supply and demand.

          They’re aren’t 8 billion used pixels to go around, and if there were… GOOGLE WOULD BUILD MORE. It’s an ineffective boycott.

          This joining gets me a lot of downvotes on Reddit, but I’m telling you, GOS acolytes are the cross-fitters of the degoogling world.