• sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    11 hours ago

    This is because ‘boy’ and ‘girl’ are genders, assortments of traits and behaviors roughly deliniated by society: They are performances of an archetype of a character.

    ‘Person’ is not. A person is … basically just a sentient and sapient entity.

    Thus ‘good’ as a modifier, when attached to boy/girl is a claim about how good you are at essentially acting, whereas ‘good’ attached to person is much more broad, and refers to ethics more broadly.

    Different categories of things tend to be judged in different ways.

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    18 hours ago

    Domme, trying not to misgender me: “You’re a very bad person!”

    Me: “Fuck, I knew it!”

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    This must be why the “puppygirl” thing exploded in popularity in trans spaces.

    “Have I been a good puppy” is gender neutral and implies the same tone.

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    Check Black’s Law Dictionary for fun regarding the word “person”.

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    Serious question… What is a gender neutral term for sir or ma’am? Like if I am writing a formal letter or email and I want to start with “hello sir/ma’am” or something. What should I write?

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      English doesn’t have an officially agreed-upon term for that yet. “Esteemed being” just doesn’t flow that well.

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      Here in Sweden we just don’t use Sir/Madam at all. Everyone refers to each other by their first name, even in professional settings.

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          You say the relationship they have to you.

          Dear/appreciated/esteemed customer/supplier/team/hiring manager/director/boss/title

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      While this is obviously biased in one way, the old norm used to be to just default to ‘Sir’ when you’re not sure.

      You can see echoes of this in the way that many, many old writings use ‘man’ or ‘mankind’ to refer to just all people, all humans.

      Certainly many of the people that spoke that way were themselves patriarchal, but very often the contrextual use of man/mankind is actually gender neutral.

      You can also see echoes of the ‘default to Sir’ thing in the US Military: Everyone is a ‘Sir’, when you’re showing respect to a higher rank, regardless of their sex or gender.

      But uh yeah at least personally myself, I’ve been writing ‘Dear Sir/Ma’am’ or something like that, when I don’t know the gender of … the person my letter or email is going to end up at.

      There have been various proposals for a gender neutral honorific title, but afaik, none of them have stuck and gotten widely adopted.

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      In some cases a title or relation to you could work, like doctor, professor, whatever department they are in, dear reader/patient/customer.

      Or you could omit gendered references altogether and use a general greetings (hello/greetings, good morning/afternoon/evening).

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      I’ve seen some discussion around magister with the short form mage and the abbreviation mg. Allegedly both ms and mr come from the Latin root that magister comes from, so lexically it makes sense.

      I suppose just avoiding gender and professionalism altogether is better though. Instead of “Hello sir,” a polite “Good afternoon” could suffice. Instead of “Excuse me miss” just “Excuse me.”

      Or call everyone comrade.

      Edit: oh yeah, twin. There’s been a lot of people calling others twin.

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        I’ve seen some discussion around magister with the short form mage and the abbreviation mg. Allegedly both ms and mr come from the Latin root that magister comes from, so lexically it makes sense.

        No one is going to start a professional email “Dear mage” and be taken seriously, no matter how linked the etymology.

        I suppose just avoiding gender and professionalism altogether is better though. Instead of “Hello sir,” a polite “Good afternoon” could suffice.

        “To whom it may concern…”

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          Well, unless you’re writing to an actual mage. As in a magician, wizard, sorcerer, witch, warlock or mystic.

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        Allegedly both ms and mr come from the Latin root that magister comes from, so lexically it makes sense.

        That’s accurate, but the path is a bit messy:

        • “mister” - from an unaccented form of “master”. In turn, “master” is from borrowed “magister”.
        • “mistress” - from Old French “maistresse” (modern “maîtresse”). Formed in Old French from the word “maistre”, that in turn was inherited from Latin “magister” (or rather magistrum, the accusative). For some reason the Latin feminine “magistra” was lost.
        • “miss” - clipped form of the above. The clipping likely happened in English.

        That said using “magister” sounds like a bad idea. At the same time pedantic, and not solving the issue (it’s a gendered word referring to a human being, so not quite ideal for the non-binary folks there). I’m not sure on how I would solve this in English, I’d probably go for something like “esteemed” plus a relevant noun (“client”? full name? last name?); only slightly posh but that’s fine.

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        M works well as an alternative to Mr/Ms/Mrs, but I don’t think it works well as an alternative to Sir/Ma’am.

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      “have i been good” would suffice, no?

      but then you should ask “what is good?” and “why should i care if i am good or not?”

      or furthermore, you may ask why would you try not to define your gender through a binary frame while sticking to a good/bad dichotomy🤦