I’ve cancelled my subscription yesterday, conveniently it was about to renew at the end of the week, so I have a few days to migrate from Proton, here’s what I’m thinking of, but I’d love to hear what other people are switching to
If you are on iOS I recommend KeeForge as there are no payments aside from donations and it supports KeePassXC and KBDX formats
Obsidian is proprietary. It can go fuck itself.
I’m tired
yeah…
I’m tired of keeping a book of grudges everytime a CEO says something. I’ll be waiting for now.
yeah, you know, a security company CEO saying to ignore security. Just sleep on that… what could happen?
Like, it’s my business email, it’s on my cards and my site and pretty much everything else related to the business. Just change all that!?
Your business email is a @proton.me address?
You mentioned a website, wouldn’t you rather have an address @ your website domain?
Site is hosted by the accounting software I use, template based and I do no e-commerce.
Proton Mail is free and reasonably secure/not fucking Google, and I don’t computer enough to host my own site.
I cut lawns and maintain gardens, I just need to be reachable.
Honestly, keep it regardless. None of your emails are encrypted anyway once they’re sent. It has to be another proton user or pgp or similar. 🤷
Unless you’re doing some illegal gardening or mowing someone down (literally & pun intended), there’s no reason to switch.
A movie about illegal gardening would be worth watching. We can call it root of all evil.
Have my angry upvote. Ill go out on a limb and say youve got more where that came from.
:D well yeah, but the others didn’t sound as good
I don’t computer enough to host my own site.
You mean savvy or cost?
If it’s cost, you can have a simple site and email with your own domain for something like $30 a year.
I cut lawns and maintain gardens,
Do you own your rake and gloves or rent/borrow them?
It’s the same thing having a domain. Really basic but essential tool that it makes sense to own it and have no surprises or changes at anybody else’s whim.
For the future, it might be worth buying your own domain. Besides looking cool, switching providers is as simple as changing your MX records.
For real. A CEO is a figurehead and can be removed at any time
this is exhausting
Don’t worry, it’ll keep going. There are so few exceptions to multi-product companies becoming shit in the long term
It is. I just made the switch last year and spent forever making hide-my-e-mail adresses for every service , web page and online store I had subscribed to. My Proton subscription just renewed so I guess I’ll wait another 11 months to see how this pans out before I make a decision.
I started with those, but then thankfully quickly realized it’s a great form of vendor lock.
It’ll still be a pain to migrate, but at least not AS bad as it could have been.
Hide-my-emails keep working after you leave proton if you have your own domain. I left proton last year and the alias I created there still point to my email address. But you have to have it point to a custom domain email address
Bitwarden’s gone private equity. I’d hold off on switching to them; maybe try to live with KeePass if you’re not on a family plan.
I switched over to vaultwarden. I am stuck on an iPhone for the time being and I don’t care for all the Keepass ios apps.
Completely valid. I myself am still on Bitwarden, waiting for the other shoe to drop, but my family is already entrenched in it.
I think if I have to move them again, I might seriously consider forking keepass, adding the features I use in bitwarden.
I do not look forward to dealing with IOS tho.
Vaultwarden is completely Bitwarden-compatible. You can export all data from Bitwarden server/service, import it into Vaultwarden server, and your family will not notice the change at all, except you’ll ask them to change address in their already installed Bitwarden app.
They don’t need to change anything else. To them, it will still be the same Bitwarden.
and your family will not notice the change at all
Here lie dragons: for as long as the private equity firm that owns Bitwarden chooses to let us use their clients.
There are non-Bitwarden Android clients around, but they lack Chrome extensions and IOS.
True, this is a possibility. But, in years of Vaultwarden’s existence, this never happened.
100% but for years of Vaultwarden’s existence, they haven’t been owned by private equity.
Just keep your eyes open and know that it could come for us. I’ve stopped counting on how many services went private->enshitify bad enough for me to bail.
Fair enough. In case we do need to move, here’s a quick tip: KeepassXC and many other password managers are able to read Bitwarden export files, so you can seamlessly move credentials there, should the need arise.
Also, Vaultwarden has a web interface, which can do as a temporary or full substitute. I used it for a while, it’s totally doable.
I would switch to KeePass if its sync method was more sane than “big binary file + Syncthing”, it seems like all the password manager options kindof suck in some way
aughhh dealing with syncthing and keepass was a painnnnnn. it was way too easy for things to desync. i just switched to my own vaultwarden instance and called it a day.
Yeah, there are a bunch of ways to tackle that. Chunk-Based Content-Addressable Block Storage (that weird thing where they put a folder of 0-A the folders under that with hex-based naming and small chunks of data wouldn’t be horrible keeping update sizes managable. The real problem there is dealing with Syncthing conflict files. The monobinary is either new or old. Maybe a local-only CBC with deltas delivered by syncthing so they can overwrite each other and a rollback/history option.
P2P anything is complicated. Something as damning and imporant as password management makes it so much worse.
there’s still vaultwarden. i just self-host that and use the official bitwarden clients (android app + firefox extension). even if bitwarden itself shits the bed and takes their clients down with it, i don’t doubt there will be alternatives up and running relatively quick.
Pretty funny to suggest anti-open-source Obsidian ina privacy subreddit
Bitwarden is getting worse btw unless you’re running it yourself
I’ve been using mailbox.org for a few years now and I love it.
the web client is good, and it was easy to set up on my phone alongside my other accounts.
it costs money (something like €3/year), but it’s worth it.
plus, it’s still relatively new, so if you suffer from Generic White Guy Name™ like I do, you can finally have a username/email address that’s not full of numbers.
I would maybe hold off on choosing Bitwarden. Around the time they raised their pricing they started getting venture capitalist money so the enshittification there may be coming. As far as alternatives, the only other one I’ve used besides Proton is KeePass which could be make or break depending on how you setup the vault, I’d probably save it in something pCloud so you aren’t screwed should something happen to your server, but YMMV.
Have people stopped trying Mullvad VPN for some reason? Is it no longer the best privacy focused one?
There was some drama after one of Mullvad’s cofounders was outed for donating considerable sums of money to right wing organizations. It’s fallen out of favour as the default recommendation as a result
Ah, I had no idea. Are any of the others anywhere near as private and secure?
I’m not sure. Mullvad is still a good product, but what it funds is not.
If I’m entirely honest, I mostly see VPN services as a predatory market, inflated by their own marketing campaigns about the risk of personal privacy. There are some products who are true to their word, like Mullvad, but most are looking for a quick buck from the average user who might forget they have a running subscription if they keep the cost low enough.
Frankly, after seeing what’s happened with Proton and Mullvad, I’m not inclined to believe anyone in this market amounts to more than a paranoid libertarian at best.
I switched from Mullvad to IVPN, no complaints
Closest I’ve found to it, so far, is Windscribe
If you’re gonna downvote, could someone at least tell me why Windscribe isn’t a good replacement? I’m not claiming to be an authority on the subject
One of the owners made a huge donation to a right-wing, anti-immigration Swedish political party, I believe. Someone feel free to correct me on the details.
I’ve been looking at both ivpn and airvpn as potential replacements.
Tuta for email perhaps?
You could check posteo.de for email services, I didn’t have any issues with them since I opened the account about a year ago.
Edit: addition
I’d choose KeepasXC over Bitwarden since it has a built in 2fa which is convenient to.use and made me have much more 2fa configured over less critical services. Most critical services I have 2fa for are separated in a different 2fa method Aegis. Yubikeys and such are top level of course but they require a bit more responsibility in usage.
Is there any free good email service other than Tuta?
All pricing are too high for people with average wage of my country.
Has anyone unlinked their SimpleLogin account from Proton? I see its an option, but curious what will happen. I was a subscriber seperately prior to Proton but linked them up later. This will be the harder thing to migrate so if I can keep just simpleLogin going for a while longer. So many aliases :(
