It’s both funny and sad you seriously think this is a good argument.
A modern, accessible OS comes with graphical rollback features or even self-repair routines (but usually the first one for Linux in the form of bootable snapshots, or at least the last working kernel at minimum).
If your distro doesn’t have the last working kernel available to boot they fail even the most basic thing of disaster recovery.
I’m more than glad there are, by now, more and more distros (and DE’s) who finally good both the understanding as well as contributors and money to build an OS for everyone, not just sysadmins. Which includes a full GUI toolchain as integral part for basic accessibility.
To expect everyone to become essentially a sysadmin when running Linux is the most common kind of harmful ignorance in the Linux community, and it’s good this notion is slowly changing. If you like it or not, understanding abstract CLI commands that often work with OS design concepts (especially in emergency situations like yours) are junior sysadmin level stuff and hardly accessible to a majority of people outside if this bubble we’re currently talking in. And people get immediately scolded for entering commands they don’t understand, so any common user is effectively being left alone in your scenario. Alienating interested people like this is one major reason why we were stuck in a niche for almost 3 decades.
So please, talk to people outside of the Linux bubble (who may focus on other professions and abilities that take all their time, which you may even take for granted as available services) and try to empathize with their needs and point of view.
Shoutout to the lads at Bazzite, Mint, KDE, Flatpak and other projects for doing awesome work.
Listen, it’s OK if you have the terminal jitters still. It is really OK. But learning more about how the kind of thing we interact with increasingly often works (that being software, devices, etc.) has never hurt. And maybe it’s just me, but I tend to think learning is good for stimulating the brain. And that is exactly what people need more of in the age of algorithms.
I’m sorry, but learning basic syntaxing and a handful of things about how your device actually functions cannot be a bad thing. And it is certainly not even sysadmin level stuff to teach a person. It’s not even as complicated as algebra (middle to high school level stuff).
My source for my opinion on it’s difficulty is based off from 10+ people of varying degrees of tech litaracy that I have helped learn some terminal things and they all picked it basically right up. It is fully reasonable to teach someone a new skill, so I don’t understand the anti-terminal crowd such as yourself.
And yes, if they happen to have a gui that already does the thing they need, I tell them to use that. You took my meme to a rude place I think…
That’s exactly the kind of belittling behaviour I’m criticizing.
I’m a sysadmin. I’d just like to see everyone be free from extortion and am fed up with the alienating culture within the Linux- and, partially, hacking community. There’s of course nothing against learning, but a lot against expecting people who just want to be on a boat trip to somewhere to slowly become sailors and blaming them when they’re afraid of messing with core elements of the boat with specialized tools. They’ll rather go to the overly friendly but creepy guy on the other boating service (Windows), as with them they at least know they’ll arrive their actual destination.
They very well might even be fully preoccupied with being someone you as a sailor depend on and have neither time nor interest to divest from that.
Then of course there is the accessibility aspect for disabled people (which also includes GUI and not just screenreaders, different people have different needs), but that’s not a can of worms we should open or I may explode in your face.
Your meme isn’t the issue. Your expectations and the way you belittle people is.
It’s both funny and sad you seriously think this is a good argument.
A modern, accessible OS comes with graphical rollback features or even self-repair routines (but usually the first one for Linux in the form of bootable snapshots, or at least the last working kernel at minimum).
If your distro doesn’t have the last working kernel available to boot they fail even the most basic thing of disaster recovery.
I’m more than glad there are, by now, more and more distros (and DE’s) who finally good both the understanding as well as contributors and money to build an OS for everyone, not just sysadmins. Which includes a full GUI toolchain as integral part for basic accessibility. To expect everyone to become essentially a sysadmin when running Linux is the most common kind of harmful ignorance in the Linux community, and it’s good this notion is slowly changing. If you like it or not, understanding abstract CLI commands that often work with OS design concepts (especially in emergency situations like yours) are junior sysadmin level stuff and hardly accessible to a majority of people outside if this bubble we’re currently talking in. And people get immediately scolded for entering commands they don’t understand, so any common user is effectively being left alone in your scenario. Alienating interested people like this is one major reason why we were stuck in a niche for almost 3 decades.
So please, talk to people outside of the Linux bubble (who may focus on other professions and abilities that take all their time, which you may even take for granted as available services) and try to empathize with their needs and point of view.
Shoutout to the lads at Bazzite, Mint, KDE, Flatpak and other projects for doing awesome work.
Listen, it’s OK if you have the terminal jitters still. It is really OK. But learning more about how the kind of thing we interact with increasingly often works (that being software, devices, etc.) has never hurt. And maybe it’s just me, but I tend to think learning is good for stimulating the brain. And that is exactly what people need more of in the age of algorithms.
I’m sorry, but learning basic syntaxing and a handful of things about how your device actually functions cannot be a bad thing. And it is certainly not even sysadmin level stuff to teach a person. It’s not even as complicated as algebra (middle to high school level stuff).
My source for my opinion on it’s difficulty is based off from 10+ people of varying degrees of tech litaracy that I have helped learn some terminal things and they all picked it basically right up. It is fully reasonable to teach someone a new skill, so I don’t understand the anti-terminal crowd such as yourself.
And yes, if they happen to have a gui that already does the thing they need, I tell them to use that. You took my meme to a rude place I think…
That’s exactly the kind of belittling behaviour I’m criticizing. I’m a sysadmin. I’d just like to see everyone be free from extortion and am fed up with the alienating culture within the Linux- and, partially, hacking community. There’s of course nothing against learning, but a lot against expecting people who just want to be on a boat trip to somewhere to slowly become sailors and blaming them when they’re afraid of messing with core elements of the boat with specialized tools. They’ll rather go to the overly friendly but creepy guy on the other boating service (Windows), as with them they at least know they’ll arrive their actual destination. They very well might even be fully preoccupied with being someone you as a sailor depend on and have neither time nor interest to divest from that.
Then of course there is the accessibility aspect for disabled people (which also includes GUI and not just screenreaders, different people have different needs), but that’s not a can of worms we should open or I may explode in your face.
Your meme isn’t the issue. Your expectations and the way you belittle people is.