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I’ll admit it. I can feel that vibe and I don’t totally disagree.
Allowing children on roblox is negligence at this point so I think this is unironically in the right
I refuse to allow my own child on it. It takes zero effort to see all the super shady shit happening there. I wont have my child exposed to that crap.
I played Roblox with my kids for years and didn’t find any shady shit. Not saying there is no shady stuff on there, but after 100s of hours either it’s suddenly gotten worse, we somehow dodged all the shady shit or the media have exaggerated the issue. Take your pick.
I played with my kids because they desperately wanted to join in on the fun but the reports of it being pedo land made me create a rule of “you only play when we play together”. We had great fun, have many fond memories of our time on there.
This kind of reads like a catholic who brought their kids to mass their whole childhood and disbelieves that catholic priests are child molestors because they never molested your child. They don’t prey on children with present caring parents who don’t leave their children unsupervised. They prey on solitary, neglected, vulnerable children, or for catholics those who are willing to trust a priest alone with them. In roblox it’s the same but without the implicit trust of an authority figure. The pedos probably avoided you. You didn’t somehow dodge the shady shit, you inadvertently created a bubble of safety that prevented your kids from being preyed upon because there’s so much easier prey around.
That’s an odd way to twist it. I must have had “parent” tagged to my avatar so to avoid the nasties.
You definitely dodged the shady shit with that rule. Not just pedo land either, also the illegal child labor.
When my kids were younger I treated the internet like a large room full of strangers of all kinds good and bad. I wouldn’t let my 8yr old wonder around on her own there so why would I on social media or multiplayer games.
My sister-in-law let her 10 year old daughter play it with zero supervision. When we found out we told her she should be watching what her daughter’s doing so she went in to check and found the kid talking to some grown man from Azerbaijan.
The American use “ironically” is probably the only difference between our dialects that I’ll stand firm on.
My friends, we already have a use for the word, and it’s not this!
I’m all about linguistic innovation, but using “unironically” in place of “seriously” and “ironically” in place of “sarcastically”/”not seriously" is not happy times for me.
Unless you give me a new word for irony.
I quite like y’all, I use that all the time, not against Americanisms in general, just this one.
hey don’t blame us, we learned it from the brits
Oh interesting, I hadn’t noticed that!
yeah playing with the three types of irony was extremely popular in early 1700s britlit. early american lit tried to distinguish itself from britlit by focusing less on irony and more on allegory and symbolism. however by the late 1800s american lit came to emphasize irony almost as hard as the previous century’s britlit had, though i think our only author to really do as much verbal irony (saying one thing, meaning another) as that era of britlit was F Scott Fitzgerald in the 1920s.
i’m curious now how Australian literature plays with irony. if there’s an absence of verbal irony, is there more literary irony (the consequences of the action are tied comically to the action) and dramatic irony (the audience knows things the characters don’t)? and did the divergence happen because our war of independence resulted in the brits no longer using our southern colonies as a penal colony just as they were getting bored of this?
or were early Australians more likely to reject this device because they felt it was a signifier of their oppressors?
My understanding, from how people use it here is that irony is a situation which is a contrast between the expected/intended and actual outcome.
It’s ironic when a fire station burns down
This definition is truly upsetting: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony
Americans, no. Bad Americans.
This definition is correct (until we come up with a good substitute, FFS America): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony
Glad Wikipedia agrees with me on this one haha We’ll at least the introductory definition.
Edit: to answer your question. I dunno. I just think this form of “ironic” just didn’t take off in Australia.
Mostly because we already have words for what Americans use it for. And don’t have words to replace irony.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Hi, American checking in. I was taught in English class in high school that irony is an ambulance running people over, not just sarcasm. I do agree that colloquially (and I am probably guilty of it too) we Americans use the word “irony” to talk about things being presented in a non-genuine and earnest manner, to talk about sarcasm and snark and parody.
I was taught in English class in high school that irony is an ambulance running people over, not just sarcasm
This is a relief, there is hope yet haha
To me, the original post was riddled with literary irony - they were saying things whose words meant one thing but the overall post was actually making fun of the ideas the words were presenting.
My comment serves to state that I agree with the point the words are making and not the meaning through the lens of irony. Ie, unironically.
Cambridge dictionary 2nd definition of irony
irony noun [U] (TYPE OF SPEECH) the use of words that are the opposite of what you mean, as a way of being funny
I respect the pushback though. I have similar gripes with “sarcasm” being used when “irony” is correct and vice versa.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard sarcasm used when irony is appropriate. Because “ironically” seems to be taking over (for Americans, not in Australia)
“That’s so sarcastic” referring to irony isn’t a thing. Or at least, I’ve neve heard it.
“the use of words that are the opposite of what you mean” bad Cambridge, bad! That’s sarcasm.
Could be my cultural context, and my bias because I constantly hear Americans misusing ‘ironic’.
Don’t use it differently without providing a replacement please and thank you!
Wikipedia gets it right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony “Irony is a juxtaposition of what, on the surface, appears to be the case with what is actually or expected to be the case”
Guess we’ll have to agree to disagree - I agree that there are people misusing the words ironic/unironic, I don’t think this case is one of them. Have a good one!
Deleting Roblox and installing Factorio
You’ll thank me when you’re older, kid.
The factory must grow.
“Why is my child applying to Nestle’s child mines”
he yearns
How do you mine for children? Do they form like crystals in the earth?
Older? Poor kid might forget to eat or drink water if you get him hooked on Factorio
In my generation, we lived on Mountain Dew and Cheetos, and look at the Sim Cities we built.
Look on my works Sim Mayor and
How often do you eat water?
Pedant version: [eat || (drink water)]
Paying for Factorio and letting their engineering career pay for your retirement home is way cheaper than saving for retirement!
Guys a madman, didn’t even ask for a ticket.
Wouldn’t it be enough to just create a seperate subnet?
Yeah, he did that…and then kept going for some reason. A separate subnet in a separate firewall zone that doesn’t forward anywhere but the internet should be sufficiently safe
Not for the kid.
Was he worried about the kid or his network lol?
Neither
por_que_no_los_dos.meme
Yeah that’s where it turned from story to joke for me
They’re specifically talking about Zero Trust though and treating it like a corporate device as the joke. This means authenticate at every layer, RBAC, and endpoint security compliance before allowing access to a service. Putting the device into an isolated guest VLAN works too of course.
Thats all I do.
Separate SSID, goes right into its own little hellscape with no access to anything but the internet.
And a small 8 port switch for a hardwired guest option. But thats not lit until its needed.
Probably because it was Roblox and an iPad
If it was a Nintendo DS and Pokemon Black 2 you could have never been able to deny peak
The DS would not be able to connect to OP’s network to begin with.
DSi and 3DS support WPA 2, but games must be DSi Enanched to go online on WPA/WPA2. DS and DS-only games support only WEP.
To play online my DS games I have a guest network with not broadcasted SSID and no password, but only allows my DSLite, DSi and 3DS’s MAC addresses to connect one at a time and has its very own subnet. Not too secure, yeah, but it’s all I could do on my home router.
What games are you playing online?
I didn’t realize those systems had online games, or at least i image no one plays.Mostly Pokemon Black 2, Pokemon HeartGold, Mario Kart DS, and WarioWare: D.Y.I…
There are many online games on DS and DSi. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_DS_Wi-Fi_Connection_games
The 3DS added a lot of focus online while the DS and DSi had it more close to a gimmick, and most games on the 3DS did have online modes.
Online service for all games was terminated in 2014, so online play of DS and DSi games is done with private servers by the community and online forums to plan games.
At this stage yes, barely anyone plays as it is now a niche community of enthusiasts.
Ah private servers, that makes sense. Pretty cool man. Enjoy
Gotta have the GTS access
What’s the issue with the security posture of iPads you are implying?
I like the Nintendo DS and 3DS systems of consoles
based
But zero trust means you don’t have to have a perimeter
Are guest networks not secure enough?
Compliance <<<< Security
I’ve only ever met two types of IT professional. Either:
- Their home network is immaculate and smooth as butter. It connects quickly and integrates with everything. They can manage it all from their phone, but they don’t have to because it’s all automated. Their server room (a) exists and (b) is cable managed. There’s a wireless access point and connected smart speaker in every room, including the garage and the back patio, but they’re carefully located for maximum sound coverage and to prevent signal interference. Their home theater is substantially better than a movie theater, and their media server is packed to the gills with content. Network security is hardened, with bespoke subnets for every user and tunneling for the media server and smart home functions. You feel a sense of calm and ease when connected to their network. “Everything I do at work, I try out at home first.”
Or:
- Their “home network” is a single Belkin router from 2011. They’ve had it since college, and it takes 9 minutes to reboot (which they have to do daily). It doesn’t even have Tomato on it and still uses the default password. They still watch OTA TV and Blu-Rays, so the wifi is exclusively connected to the smart switch that their tea kettle is plugged into so they can start their hot water before they come downstairs. You feel guilty even asking for the wifi password. “Why would I do any network stuff here? I do IT all day at work, the last thing I want to do is even touch a Cat5 cable at home.”
What does a tomato have to do with a router?
I work on this shit daily… it’s fucking infuriating…why on God’s green earth would I want to spin up a bunch of shit that’s gonna give me more hassle than its worth, for free, when I can just…not, ya know?
For all the AI hate on this website y’all couldn’t figure out this was written by it? This is ChatGPT in particular.
Or, wait, are you saying that my original comment that you’re replying to is ChatGPT? Because…lol, sadly, no, I’m just like this. “This” meaning pretty much everything I write is way too overwrought.
Or just copypasta.
The guy she tells you not to worry about VS you.
I’m in the meme. In the shitty paragraph.
Are you my boyfriend/roommate?
Edit: he and I are both IT folks, but he handles all the Windows issues in the house. I handle Linux issues. He handles the router because it’s closer to his desk so it’s easier for him to threaten.
no, just me, gabe newell
That seems optimal, I would be terrified at the thought of a Windows admin touching me.
I’ll take option 2
I’m almost the first (I run multiple VLANs and SSIDs using pfSense and Ubiquiti hardware) but my server is an old PC sitting under my desk and my cable management strategy is mostly “out of sight, out of mind”. I’m also heavily invested in the Apple ecosystem, especially for smart home stuff, so not everything is open source. Basically I have a complex network setup because I actually make use of it, but I really don’t enjoy working on it and if there’s an easy solution, I’ll go for it.
For the smart stuff: HomeAssistant
It is life changing once you get it running.
I got already 5 vendors and 3 different communications (BT, Matter, WiFi) integrated.
It truly is awesome
I’m in the middle. At work, I play it fairly conservative, applying well established solutions to well-known problems.
I have friends whom I advise and assist with their networks that absolutely fall into the first category.
MY network is is like the lab of a mad scientist, everything tinkered with right up to the edge of breaking. My home router collapses multiple times a year due to the wonky chaos I ask it to do. Home automaton sequences that are more complex than most rube goldberg machines. Metaphorical sharp edges and loose clutter everywhere, but an unholy abomination that works better than it has any right to - until I scrap it all to rebuild it from scratch next week.
I spent way more time than I care to think about figuring out how to get my porch lights to come on at 7am and turn off 10 minutes before sunrise without breaking when sunrise happened before 7am. I tried some serious Rube Goldberg nonsense in multiple iterations, until finally I decided to just add another “turn off the lights” at 9am every day. Most of the time it doesn’t do anything because the lights are already off, but on DST day it accomplishes my goal of making sure they don’t run all day, since 9am is always after sunrise.
Light sensor trigger?
The porch lights in question are actually string lights, and I just assumed that the power outlet they’re plugged into was too deep on the porch for a light sensor to be reliable. I could definitely be wrong, though.
There are separate light sensors.
The point of automation is that it doesn’t matter where anything is, they all can talk to one another.
If you’re using home assistant there is a “sun” integration.
My lights turn on 30 minutes before sunset and turn off 30 minutes after sunrise.
My wife didn’t want them turning on and off at the same time every day because observers could see the pattern… at least this way it’s a little more hidden.
“Everything I do at work, I try out at home first.”
Absolutely no fucking way! And anything that touches work is isolated, their opsec sucks so much they didn’t even realized they mandate “security solutions” with known backdoors.
Our opsec is pretty well managed, but I try to squeeze anything I’d need at home to work tasks. I get paid to learn the stuff at work and then I can just implement it on my own environment.
I think it means they setup new tech on their homelab to learn how everything works and how to break it. Then when a problem arises where one of these solutions is needed at work, you can implement it without any large issues. It makes sense if your hobby is close to or adjacent your day job, and you are on Salary, and your boss treats you right.
Yes, I’m not doing almost any of the things we do at work in my network.
I’m absolutely not running the same software. I’m not organizing the information the same way. I’m not using the same infrastructure abstraction, and even less configuring it in any similar way. I’m not writing the same languages.
The work environment is dictated by consensus between many people, with varying expertise, and weighted by how much work one is willing to put into each aspect of it. Each of those parts lead to bad tech, even though they lead to good people organization.
You are telling me that you can’t proof of concept something without a matching tech stack? Or learn exactly how a new tech works? It also sounds like you should never give your work any of your personal time, you won’t gain anything except for more work.
Isn’t this basically just rich IT guy vs poor IT guy?
No, it’s 'my life is IT and i never stop working" guy, and “IT is just my job” guy.
I just order a new router on Black Friday to replace my 10 year old one. I also only console game now because PC gaming is too much of a headache. I spend my money on outdoor gear and pets, not technology. My new router is $90 bucks. I can’t fathom why I’d ever need a wifi 7 quad band router with 9Gbps of throughput for a home network, other than pure bragging rights.
A couple of my co-workers are the former. They will be doing penetration testing at 2am form their home lab in the morning because they their default mode is work work work. If i’m up at 2 am i’m watching TV and snacking.
I monitor security updates, but my co-workers like get excited and ramble on anytime a new patch/attack is documented. I don’t get it. They revel in doing updates and rebuilding their VMs fresh every few weeks, I groan and clone.
Maybe more like fresh IT guy vs. seasoned (=old) IT guy
Nah, I could afford nice shit but I’m still using a ubiquity edge router 8 from 10 years ago.
There is probably something to be said that there is an in between to those two extremes. The “my network is made of a Hodgepodge of shit my employer threw out that still seems to work and brand new things I replaced because I had to”
My first draft of this did mention that there was a version of the second type of IT guy who cobbled everything together with workplace castoffs and conference swag, but I couldn’t figure out how to make it work without just being over-wordy.
I want to be the first, but I am definitely closer to the second. I’m trying to find a reasonable middle ground.
Like, I want to have a nice home network with a proper NAS, Pihole DNS, Plex/Emby/Jellyfin media server, all my music properly tagged, little mediaplayer/emulation/game streaming endpoint boxes on each TV, etc. But I don’t have the time or money to do it right at the moment.
So I have my desktop set up to share out my media folders as SMB shares when it’s powered on, and I’ve used a few tools to get my video content organized right for Kodi. I’ve got Kodi installed as an app on the Xbox Series X plugged into the family room TV. The other TV has a Chromecast dongle with VLC sideloaded and set up to connect to the SMB shares, because I’m too lazy to get my Kodi setup on it. Every room in the house has an ethernet port, and most rooms have a dumb switch so as much hardware can have ethernet connection as possible. I’ve run my music collection through MusicBrainz Picard, and separated it into a properly tagged and organized folder, and one for stuff that isn’t.
I used to be the first, but because of a shitty landlord I was forced to move, and I only had 30 days to find a place. I bought a house because no one would rent to me with a large dog and she’s been with us for 10 years now.’my homelab is sitting disassembled in the basement with nowhere to even plug it in, because in order to get an outlet wired I’d have to replace my entire breaker box which is probably hanging on by a thread. I’m too house poor to even consider getting the work done over paying the bills I need to and providing my kid with food and clothing.
The place is nice enough and my family lives well, but I was the first guy and now I have to be the second guy for who knows how long.
In other words; fuck landlords
Well I sit kind of between these
Like I’m not getting a dedicated router and have no server room in my apartment, and my consumer router only supports two VLANs (main and guest). But I’d say the rest is rather sophisticated with all machines defined in my NixOS config, including automated generation of firewall and reverse proxy rules for which I wrote custom modules.
Media server isn’t super full but connected to jellyseer and the rest of the stack, accessible over TLS (Let’s Encrypt certificates) only, with the option to have users managed via IDM.
However, I only have devices on my network that I somewhat trust, with an Android TV box being the worst offender. The smart TV was never connected to my network.
Would be cool to isolate my work PCs somewhat (I work from home with company provided equipment) but it’s just not worth the trouble in my opinion. Not switching out a low power device that does most for two different devices that both use more power (since you usually need a router and a modem).
I’m very against Roblox. I know a kid who had a really hard time with online predators and a lot of it stated with Roblox. He’s 19 now. He and I were talking about it recently.
Parents think Roblox is like Minecraft bc of the aesthetics of the game. But, Roblox is not a game with a chat feature, it’s a chat room with some games. That’s a big difference.
They have 380 million users. Around 60% of the user base is under the age of 16. 40% is under the age of 12. That’s 152 million mostly unmonitored kids.
I’m sure Roblox has gotten better moderation during that time, but in our experience predators meet kids on Roblox and get them to exchange Discord or other contact info with them.
Discord is also a problem here, but that’s for another rant in another thread. If you are concerned about your kids and want to discuss it with me, feel free to message me.
TLDR: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY ROBLOX unless you are actively monitoring the game.
I’m sure Roblox has gotten better moderation during that time
Quite the opposite.
And here too! https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Roblox
A friend’s 8 year old daughter was asking to play Roblox recently and they reached out to me since it’s in my current area of study and advised them against it due to the lack of responsibility that the corporation takes for their users.
I suggested that they introduce her to Vintage Story on a self hosted server instead. That way, they can control who has access and content.
I’m actually surprised at how many parents let their kids play Roblox unmonitored. I mean, why not let them go to the playground unmonitored instead?
Do you have any idea how many bitch about you NOT letting them go to the playground unmonitired
Vintage Story
Bro threw them straight into the deep end lmao
I encourage parents to talk to their kids about online safety but specifically come up with a plan. I’ve written this in a few comments, but u really believe it helps.
Ask them what they do if a stranger says something that makes them scared or uncomfortable. Ask them what they would do if it’s someone they know like a friend or a family member. Help them come up with a plan and identify a person who is a safe person to tell. Someone parents and kids trust, often it’s an aunt or uncle.
A parent is fine too, but at a certain age, I find kids seem to be afraid of getting in trouble or maybe just uncomfortable talking to their parents about sex, so having a 3rd party that the kids and parents trust is a good back up option.
why not let them go to the playground unmonitored instead?
It’s highly likely there is no playground.
why not let them go to the playground unmonitored instead?
That would actually be the safer option imo.
And far better for their physical and mental health.
The younger kid’s chat is disabled. not allowed to friend anyone.
The older kid has chat enabled, but is only allowed to friend people we vet.
Computers are in an open area, chats have been keylogged, we check occasionally.
If friends show up unanounced, or they chat where they’re not supposed to, they lose internet access long enough to regret it
When they get old enough to have friends online, we contact the parents, make sure they’re compatible politically, theologogically, just generally not extremists and their kids have some base level of dicipline and are safety minded.
We also semi-regularly play with them and set rules about the appropriateness of the games in relation to the kids ages. The younger one’s don’t get to play the violent ones.
Bc of what I went through with my ex’s kid, I talk help parents talk to kids about online safety. It’s good that you are so proactive!
The #1 thing I see parents miss in those safety talks is coming up with a plan when something bad happens so kids know what to do.
I spoke to my 14 year old niece last weekend. She wants to use Snapchat but her parents said no. I asked her what she would do if she got a dick pick from a stranger. I asked her what she would do if her boyfriend sent her one. Various situations like that.
She didn’t know what to do, so together, we came up with a plan and identified an adult in her life that she would feel comfortable talking to that isn’t her parents. A third part adult that you and your kid can trust is helpful for kids that are afraid to talk to their parents and get grounded.
For example: if your kid is online after they got grounded and something bad happened, they might be afraid to tell you since they weren’t suppose to be online, but maybe they’ll be okay speaking to an aunt or uncle.
Every situation is different
Damn good points.
Youngest is younger that. I’m just not letting him chat until he’s a teen
Eldest has had all the appropriate talks before he got on discord.
I have spoken to multiple parents about how dangerous this “game” is.
I tell them that I’d let my kids walk across times square in NYC alone before I’d let them play Roblox.
Honestly times square is pretty safe these days, but it seems to be an effective analogy to other parents emphasizing the kind of danger that roblox presents.
we contact the parents, make sure they’re compatible politically, theologogically
This is insane. You call that kid’s mom to ask who she votes for and what name she uses for god, and if it doesn’t match yours, kids can’t have fun?
We have a 15 minute conversation to find out if they’re batshit crazy slur calling racist trumpeters because we dont need to subject our kids to that shit.
I find it insane that you wouldn’t take 15 minutes to get to know who your kids influencers are, but you do you.
There is a vast difference between ascertaining that someone is or is not a racist and asking about their religion and political affiliations. Do you not understand that difference?
Crazy, but it’s almost like parenting can make the environment safer!
Lemmy likes to portray Roblox the same way the 10pm news portrayed the Internet when I was in my preteens and teen years, like it was the wild west, everyone was a predator, etc. I let my kids hop on. Their friends include me, their mom (who has an account for some reason), each other, and the kids who live across the street. They like to play the platformers, and they invite me sometimes and we play them.
They’ll get older and they’ll go explore the internet the same way I did. I spent my adolescence and teen years eventually in AIM chat rooms, then forums, and thn Skyping random people, and somehow didn’t become a terrorist, didn’t get predated. I also am of the school of thought that you need to learn things on your own, rather than have no exposure to things that could potentially be bad.
@Dozzi92
it’s also important to remember that different kids have different needs. Some kids can handle it fine, others may be more at risk due to past trauma or developmental delays.I do agree it’s all about teaching them safety and guiding them rather than forever sheltering them.
What’s most dangerous is completely leaving them to fend for themselves.
@rumbaYeah. I wouldn’t let my kids in Roblox personally bc of how the company has tried to ignore the problem . if parents just took time to understand it and talk to their kids about safety, it would solve many problems, not just in Roblox.
Crazy, but it’s almost like parenting can make the environment safer!
NOooooooooooo!!! We need the gubmint to impose stupid laws to protect teh children!!!
Also, I did grow up with AIM and all that nonsense and I did get predators talking to me constantly, especially on AOL and Yahoo. Crazy that we had such different experiences during that age.
Making sure the parents of your kids friends are compatible politically and theologically sounds incredibly dodgy to me.
I will say this as well: strict parents raise sneaky children
the fact that theology is even a concern is a big red flag for me dawg
Alternately they raise socially inept children if they failed to be sneaky.
Not from a multi-race household I see.
If little Timmy’s parents start talking about “those kids” my kids isn’t playing with him. Too many racist fucks out there.
Don’t forget the child labor aspect. https://www.theguardian.com/games/2022/jan/09/the-trouble-with-roblox-the-video-game-empire-built-on-child-labour
The whole company is gross. I forgot about this.
Classic BOFH.
Is this the It equivalent of the unhinged LinkedIn post?
At a time I didn’t have wifi, I would not share connection with younger guests. There was no way I would use my phone to connect to internet the bloody smart tv in the heart of our share living room. Never done it in my life, so I was not lying when I saied I didn’t knew how to do it. If you Come to visit me, visit me not my game console or my streaming service.
I wonder if this was the same person who was on asklemmy or whatever saying “what can I do to convince my loved ones of the importance of data privacy”
45 minutes to setup a guest wifi?
Yeah, that’s where the ‘IT professional’ lost me.
(They might have a complicated setup with everything overly managed … but this is just a new vlan, unrelated to anything …)Not to mention you might want to have one for test purposes anyway.
Also there are alternativnes, like mobile data via phone hotspot.
Or giving a kid to play some horror game on your gaming rig.
Or saying you don’t have wifi, wired net only, why didn’t they bring an ethernet dongle??
First time had to google the manual for the router he doesnt know the model # or how to access
