• Jhex@lemmy.world
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    2 hours ago

    This is the closest I have seen Copilot doing something like a human Programmer would

  • mcv@lemmy.zip
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    2 hours ago

    I often see Copilot get stuck in a nonresponsive shell after it used cat > file. It’s hilarious to watch the first time, but I’m a bit tired of it by now. Why doesn’t it just edit files like it normally does?

  • reksas@sopuli.xyz
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    6 hours ago

    i cant understand all the vim hyping. its probably very neat and can do whatever, but what good is that if it takes awful amount of bother to learn everything by heart since interface has been designed to be as unfriendly as possible. it doesnt have to be fit for office worker, but at least some ease if use is needed.

    • Noctambulist@lemmy.world
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      3 hours ago

      Vim is actually highly ergonomic; you can do everything with a minimum of keystrokes without moving a hand away to a mouse or touchpad or oven the arrow keys. If that’s worth the time investment to learn it, is a highly subjective question. But I’d say it’s a lot easier than many people think.

    • Lucy :3@feddit.org
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      3 hours ago

      Friendly is useful in an application you use once a week. Anything you want to work with daily, like a text editor, needs to be efficient.

    • schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de
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      4 hours ago

      since interface has been designed to be as unfriendly as possible

      No, it hasn’t.

      It (well, vi, which vim is a clone of) has been designed to be a possible interface on a keyboard that doesn’t have arrow keys or other modifier keys than shift. There aren’t that many ways to program a visual text editor when those are your constraints.

      That it’s more productive once you know it is a side-effect.

      • Dyskolos@lemmy.zip
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        3 hours ago

        It (well, vi, which vim is a clone of) has been designed to be a possible interface on a keyboard that doesn’t have arrow keys or other modifier keys than shift.

        That sounds great and all, but in the last 40yrs I have not owned (or seen…) A keyboard like that. For whom the heck was this useful? 😁

        Not mocking, I do use vim or nano, but also never got why it had to be so incredibly unintuitive.

    • chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
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      5 hours ago

      It’s a specialist tool. You can say the same thing about any specialist tool. Why should CNC machine tools exist if they’re so hard to use and take a lot of training and are dangerous in the hands of untrained people?

    • jeff 👨‍💻@programming.devEnglish
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      5 hours ago

      I learned (neo)vim this last year. It really wasn’t that bad. You need to learn like maybe a dozen hotkeys to get going, but after that you can do :h <topic> for everything else. And it’s not even like you lose full functionality of your mouse, at least neovim supports a lot of mouse movements

    • stochastictrebuchet@sh.itjust.works
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      5 hours ago

      The interface is modal editing, which, yes, takes some getting used to. The payoff is that you get a kind of programming language for text editing. Rather than memorizing ctrl+shift+alt-style keybinds, you decompose stuff into chainable actions.

      Have you ever played a video game, be it with kbd+mouse or gamepad, and realize you’re doing a bunch of stuff without actually consciously thinking about what buttons you’re pressing? That’s what working in editors like Vim or (my fav) Helix feels like.

    • bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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      5 hours ago

      In terms of command line editors, vim is extremely powerful and relatively easy to get started with, once you know how to get into insert mode and then save/quit. nano/pico are easier to learn but less powerful, and emacs is probably more powerful than vim, and more daunting to learn. Also, vim is installed on almost all systems, so there’s not really any extra work to get started using it.

    • grepehu@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      6 hours ago

      It’s not “designed to be as unfriendly as possible”, it’s designed to be exactly what you configure it to be, that’s why I love it. Every keymap, every screen position, every worflow, the way it searches through lines and files names, everything was configured by me, so whenever I do something in my editor it always make absolute sense for me, because it was literally made for me.

      If you get me to someone else’s neovim config I would probably be absolutely lost because it’s a very unique experience for each person, some people like to bloat it out with plugins others like to keep it bare minimum and so on.

      One biggest lie abput vim is the productivity, it doesn’t make you that much faster in comparison to any other editor if you take the time to learn the keymaps from them, the real strong point of neovim is having an editor that is absolutely tailor made for you in a way you cannot achieve in OOB editors.

      • reksas@sopuli.xyz
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        5 hours ago

        yes, i can get behind the configurability, lets you make the program into your own personal tool nicely. my problem is that you have to do it in such difficult and unintuitive way. though it has been very long time since i last took a look at vim, so maybe things have improved and its easier to configure now, i doubt it though.

        So it would be nice if getting into it was easier even if you havent used it as your main editor for last 50 years. not being able to even exit vim without looking up guide for it demonstrates this quite nicely.

        • grepehu@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          5 hours ago

          Nowadays there many neovim distros that come setup with everything and you can learn as you go, but definitely not user-friendly still and the distros kind kill the point for me personally.

          I totally understand prefering users friendly tools, but I think that fornevery software there is always some degree of granularity that makes it user unfriendly.

          You asked about what the hype about vim was, I tell you: it’s the granularity of the configuration it’s 100% not it’s user friendliness.

      • ripcord@lemmy.world
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        5 hours ago

        Yeah, but as a 30-year vi/vim user, using it nearly every day - it IS pretty user-unfriendly

    • lime!@feddit.nu
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      6 hours ago

      fluency. languages are hard to learn but when you know them you communicate better. same as touch-typing, or mobas.

    • thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      6 hours ago

      My preferred text editors are Neovim and Kate

      Kate has some convenient features, mainly the easy GUI. Neovim is the CLI text editor that I find works best for me.

  • Cevilia (they/she/…)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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    6 hours ago

    Every computer has a built-in “exit vim” button, conveniently located on the chassis, usually next to the power cord. Flick it to 0, then back to 1, and you’ll find vim has been successfully exited. :)