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      11 months ago

      Is this meant to be a gotcha? What I prefer has nothing to do with understanding how states function and why they coalesce.

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        11 months ago

        Not really a gotcha. I just forget I’m pretty alone in my (particular) distaste for violence.

        Edit: didn’t really mean for that to sound so negative.

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          11 months ago

          I guess I dont base my understanding of politics around morality, morality enters the field when determining what to do within that understanding

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            I’m certainly overly reductive of politics. When we’re talking ideology, though, yeah I’m going back to my ethics. A government can’t act on our behalf with more rights than us - we just end up creating our master. Pragmatic actions, in the real world, are different from ideological conversations, though.

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              11 months ago

              I’m somewhat confused by your separation of ideology from practical actions. That sounds internally inconsistent.

              I am willing to accept a state if it is necessary to suppress the bourgeoisie and their toadies, so long as that continues to be necessary. I would prefer we lived in a communist society but we can’t get there overnight and socialism is how you transition to it.

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                11 months ago

                It’s similar to your position. I just have a different path to a stateless, voluntary society. I also don’t really care what the economic system looks like, so long as human rights are recognized.

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                  11 months ago

                  I also don’t really care what the economic system looks like, so long as human rights are recognized.

                  What about human economic rights? What use does a homeless starving person have for the freedom of press?

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                    I consider freedom of the press to just be freedom of speech, which we all have.

                    As for the homeless chap, it depends on their situation. I’d live in a community that would try to help them. I think we’re ethically obligated to help people in need as best we can, but I’m not comfortable using violence to force you to help them.