• SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    3 hours ago

    The first four ARE different…

    It took me a few seconds, but 2&4 are different because of how close the hands are to the guard vs pommel.

    • Dr. Bob@lemmy.ca
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      11 hours ago

      That’s an Italian grip foil. That’s one method of holding it. I had one when I fenced and was taught a different grip for it. There is also a French grip that only has one way to hold it. I had one of those as well. Most people used what we called the orthopedic grip but probably has a different name now.

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        6 hours ago

        That’s a sidesword or early rapier. Hundreds of years earlier than the smallsword, the weapon for which the foil was developed as a practice weapon.

        I’m not familiar with the term orthopedic grip, but a quick search suggests that this is what I knew, when I was doing sport fencing, as the “pistol grip”.

        These days I do HEMA rather than modern sport fencing. In fact, a fellow instructor at my school is responsible for the English translation of Lovino, the source from which the above image derives. Here’s the whole image:

        Image of a man in blue standing with his sword in his sword in his right hand but his left foot forward. His sword is crossed over that of a man in yellow with sword in right hand and right foot forward. Both swords are early rapiers with a crossguard and finger rings, but no knuckle bow or complex hilt.

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          4 hours ago

          You are most certainly correct. I am no armourer, and I only fenced Italian because I’m a lefty and it was kit that could borrow when I started. My master was highly skilled, but no great historian of the sport. I note that there is no bell guard, and that the cross hilt is behind the finger loops, but I understood that to be of minimal importance.

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          6 hours ago

          I think the answer is yes, it would. Though see my reply at the same level as yours for further details/corrections.