• Chucklestheclown@hilariouschaos.comM
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    We are not talking about gender identify. We are talking biological sex. There are two. That hasn’t and won’t change in our lifetime.

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      There’s no definite way to classify intersex and non-sexed people that isn’t simply a matter of opinion. This is a fact and won’t change, ever. If you ignore these cases, sure, you’re right, but these cases exist, so the topic is more nuanced than that.

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        It’s a birth defect. Their sex is still male or female. Intersex groups like to call it a variation but as I cited previously even they don’t consider it another sex. That’s because we are binary when it comes to reproduction.

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          Their sex is still male or female.

          How do you define people who produce both gametes?

          How do you define people who produce neither?

          The fact is, there are people who don’t fit neatly in one or the other.

          I’ll accept it if you concede and admit there are at least 4 options. Perhaps 4 options is not enough to count as a spectrum… but this is yet another opinion.

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            Obgyn have a chart they use to match. How they identify later with their gender is a different story. Gender and sex don’t always match and I’m less concerned with that debate since it’s a made up social construct. Biology is biology. There may be variances in sex but there are only two. It’s how we classify since it’s about reproduction.

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              You did not address any of my questions or points, you just re-affirmed your belief without engaging with what I said.

              How do you define people who produce both gametes?

              How do you define people who produce neither?

              Scientifically, this means there are 4 options minimum, no?

              If you’re claiming the obgyn chart determines it… it does not. That is also a matter of opinion. There are countless cases where they cannot decide and just make a random decision.

              Perhaps if we don’t count someone who doesn’t produce either as any sex at all, that at the very least leaves 3 options, although i’d count “neither” as an option. But that’s my opinion.

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                If we want to at there are three for intersex. I can agree but intersex groups find that offensive and bigoted. Intersex is just a birth defect. We have lots of birth defects that people like to call variations. I have a webbed toe. It doesn’t make me a new sex or species. It just a birth defect.

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                  It’s only a defect if it negatively impacts the individual. In this case, if the person is perfectly healthy, there’s a case to be made that it is simply variation, whether or not it is a defect is then a matter of opinion.

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                    It’s a defect because it’s a defect. We all have them. We just have become sensitive to saying it’s a defect or deviance. Since most is them we’ll be sterile and possibly ostracized from society, I’d say it has a negative impact for many. Just like any other medical condition, they shouid be treated with respect and dignity. They should also be allowed to decide their own medical treatment.