Is TOR not completely owned by the feds? I remember even back in the silk road days people were saying the FBI owns every endpoint. Is TOR still practical? I truly don’t know I’m asking for input.
Oh i2P is definitively a better option where you can have it. However, Tor is somewhat more approachable as of current: we have for example Tor Browser for the masses, whereas I at least haven’t heard of any sort of “I2P Browser” at least for Firefox. Of the three options, Tor is the only one I know that is “portable” (you don’t need to be able to make admin-level network changes to use it).
Yeah but even if you could get it down to like 50% why would anyone want to take that risk? Idk I might be misunderstanding something about how TOR works but it seems no more anonymous than the clearweb from what I’ve heard.
In this scenario it wouldn’t matter because the idea is to use it as a way to access a website that would otherwise be accessed over clearnet but has become inaccessible. But if they made an onion site endpoints wouldn’t be used anyway afaik since the traffic doesn’t leave the network. Now that I’m thinking about it there might be some issues with practicality doing it this way if they have a big volume of traffic, but there are options for routing around censorship that don’t involve DNS.
I don’t understand this comment, can you elaborate? Why wouldn’t the endpoints be used? This is probably my ignorance but I thought all traffic was routed through the onion network and then eventually to the end device, but all that extra routing can’t help you if the Feds control the last stop before whatever server you’re trying to contact… are you saying that if a site is entirely hosted on TOR then no information makes it to an endpoint?
are you saying that if a site is entirely hosted on TOR then no information makes it to an endpoint?
Basically yeah. My understanding is that exit nodes are special and using them is a vulnerability, but you only use exit nodes to access clearnet sites from Tor, and you are less vulnerable if you aren’t doing that and rather going to sites with .onion urls. Which, unfortunately I can’t find one for this website, but I’m thinking they’d probably consider making one if they can’t maintain any clearnet domains anymore.
I don’t think that’s true and a very cursory google suggests (to me at least) that im right and I don’t have time to parse a bunch of sources right now. So idk if anyone else could chime in with specific technical details or a source id appreciate it.
Maybe this will prompt some people to learn to use Tor
Is TOR not completely owned by the feds? I remember even back in the silk road days people were saying the FBI owns every endpoint. Is TOR still practical? I truly don’t know I’m asking for input.
If enough people set endpoints, then the feds will own a fewer proportion of the total. AKA: we have to be the change we want to see in the world.
TOR is not to be trusted. Everyone else has been working on strengthening their security while TOR has been caught numerous times weakening theirs.
Use i2P and sneakernet. Fuck tor.
Oh i2P is definitively a better option where you can have it. However, Tor is somewhat more approachable as of current: we have for example Tor Browser for the masses, whereas I at least haven’t heard of any sort of “I2P Browser” at least for Firefox. Of the three options, Tor is the only one I know that is “portable” (you don’t need to be able to make admin-level network changes to use it).
Yeah but even if you could get it down to like 50% why would anyone want to take that risk? Idk I might be misunderstanding something about how TOR works but it seems no more anonymous than the clearweb from what I’ve heard.
I’m not sure you are fully aware of the Tor threat model. The exit node is not supposed to be specifically trusted.
In this scenario it wouldn’t matter because the idea is to use it as a way to access a website that would otherwise be accessed over clearnet but has become inaccessible. But if they made an onion site endpoints wouldn’t be used anyway afaik since the traffic doesn’t leave the network. Now that I’m thinking about it there might be some issues with practicality doing it this way if they have a big volume of traffic, but there are options for routing around censorship that don’t involve DNS.
I don’t understand this comment, can you elaborate? Why wouldn’t the endpoints be used? This is probably my ignorance but I thought all traffic was routed through the onion network and then eventually to the end device, but all that extra routing can’t help you if the Feds control the last stop before whatever server you’re trying to contact… are you saying that if a site is entirely hosted on TOR then no information makes it to an endpoint?
Basically yeah. My understanding is that exit nodes are special and using them is a vulnerability, but you only use exit nodes to access clearnet sites from Tor, and you are less vulnerable if you aren’t doing that and rather going to sites with .onion urls. Which, unfortunately I can’t find one for this website, but I’m thinking they’d probably consider making one if they can’t maintain any clearnet domains anymore.
I don’t think that’s true and a very cursory google suggests (to me at least) that im right and I don’t have time to parse a bunch of sources right now. So idk if anyone else could chime in with specific technical details or a source id appreciate it.
https://onionservices.torproject.org/technology/properties/
if FBI owns every endpoint why is still there CSAM? why they don’t remove all of them?