Am I the only one here that got really bad experience with nextcloud and didn’t figured how to make it work correctly?
I’m talking about painfully slow login pages, ages to show files, even upgraded hardware with disk entirely capable of saturing full gig network connection and still…
Getting only about ~30ish MB/s when downloading from nextcloud.
Incredly slow document loading with collabora…
Even if my hardware is not new-gen, a app like immich works flawlessly and loads everything instantly.
Is it the fault of next cloud or am I doing something wrong?
Are alternatives like seafile or openCloud better?
Willing your help fellow selfhosters
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How did you set it up? All in one, separate database and redis?
Native install.
Redis installed on the network and accessed by nextcloud.
Separate database on host.EDIT : formating
I highly recommend spinning up a Nextcloud AIO instance. It’s the recommended and supported method, and it will likely run a lot nicer because all the database, redis, etc tweaking are done for you in a known good setup.
If you try that and it’s still no good, then OCIS might be worth trying depending on exactly what you are trying to achieve.
Agreed, this is what I run after using seafile for a couple years.
No, I’ve been trying to get my instance working again with cloudflare tunnel. It was working, then broke and their support forums have been useless. I’m currently looking for a solution to have a self hosted calendar that is publicly available via web for people to view.
If anyone has any recommendations, please send them my way.
I think you’re looking for a calendar on a web page?
So, probably not what you meant, but Radicale is a really good caldav server I use for our calendars
It’s a server, you need clients (ie phones, etc) to see the calendars, but I found that no-one wanted a web calendar, they just used their phones… so maybe it’s an option…?
I installed AIO on an old machine (retired gaming PC) a few months ago. I use NC notes and file sharing, and have disabled other services I don’t need. It’s running behind a proxy server. It’s worked fine so far. I use Immich for photos though, not Nextcloud. I heard a lot of gripes about Nextcloud for photos.
I tried to get it working with calibra office, but gave up 🙈and do agree that it is one of the more difficult programs to setup on a server.
Speeds weren’t too bad for me, but setting it up was a pain. Even when AIO came out, I spent hours trying to get it right. After several years and tearing it down and rebuilding because something would get messed up, and realizing it was nearly impossible to get it to work with Tailscale instead of a reverse proxy, I decided it was time to throw in the towel. Nextcloud parades as a product anyone can use, but in practice it feels like it was meant for enterprise users.
Maybe you want to try https://github.com/kd2org/karadav
Never had issues setting up Nextcloud with Podman, but on 3 occasions I tried to integrate OnlyOffice with it and couldn’t get it to work.
In the end, I simply dropped both of them because the whole idea was to have an editor with it. I decided to go with the approach where I use Syncthing to sync my documents folder to multiple machines and my phone, and edit using LibreOffice on each machine.
I remember OO was incredibly painful to get running. When I finally managed, I just tore down the whole thing and never looked back.
I constantly would get files stuck in the database that I couldn’t delete. All of the forum posts would talk about going into the database to fix it, but the whole point of NextCloud for me was to completely avoid database management.
I’ve fallen back to using DUFS or copyparty for most things since I really just needed my file store to be browsable via web in some cases.
I probably would still be using NextCloud if they didn’t obfuscate the file system.
They don’t obfuscate the filesystem, it’s right there in clear folder trees under each username in the chosen data folder with all the filenames you see in the UI, you can do whatever you want with it.
I hear this bullshit constantly and I go back to check just to make sure I’m not fooling myself and there it is. Where do people get this from, do you not know how to navigate a filesystem?
I’ve been running tge AIO container for several years now and it is running perfectly fine. I only enable whatever I use, so for instance no Collabora.
But for Collabora, while it should be good for single-person use, if you require some kind of collaborative simultaneous work, you should probably set up the high-performance backend. I did this at work for a NC-instance hosted via Hetzner and it works well when we tried it, but we don’t really use those kinds of tools much in our daily work.
Your issue could be a missing index, check the admin settings page and see if it has any advice.
I also found that my files_cache table was missing an index from way back, I had to empty the table and create the index. But the speed boost was insane, it went from painfully slow to almost instant.
Sounds like a DB problem. I had to re-create mine earlier this year because it got corrupted somehow, probably through updates. Some actions spawned hundreds of DB workers and the CPU would be stuck at 100%
I run Nextcloud of an NAS appstore. NAS is Asustor Drivestor 4 gen2 - Realtek RTD1619B CPU with 2GB non-expandable DDR4 ram. NAS runs couple of other services like Vaultwarden, Radarr, Sonarr, Uptime Kuma and maybe something else, I dont remember. NAS runs at around 10% CPU and 50% RAM at all times.
Nextcloud isntance is AIO and I have no choice in what type it is. There also are no other good file hosting services but Nextcloud on the app store.
Now the experience: It is slow. Slower than say Google Drive. Login page loads slow but not too slow. I would describe it as sluggish. Like if you run windows 98 file manager on a 5400rpm old drive and you just want to copy couple of files. I went to admin panel and disabled all junk that I will definitely wont run in future. That made it bit faster than before. It works but could be much snappier. Maybe in near future I will move to Opencloud or Owncloud or whatever other services that are similar experience to Nextcloud are.
In my defense, I barely use Nextcloud. It is a nice-to-have option to upload any files that I may find useful to save or/and access later. Therefore, I want to note that sluggishness of Nextcloud doesn’t bother me. But I wish it would be as snappy as Immich is.
I ran nextcloud for years on good hardware and its always been the weakest self hosted app I have. I moved to seafile for a bit and then ultimately owncloud OCIS.
OCIS is a modern app that is massively better since its written with modern languages / frameworks
I’m one of the people who is happy with my Nextcloud setup (outside of never quite getting only office to work in browser after I hooked it all up to a reverse proxy behind HTTPS), but I always try to keep my eye on developments in the space for a potential better solution. I looked at OCIS a while back, but it didn’t have the quality of life features that I enjoy to make it worth me switching from a working Nextcloud deployment.
Does OCIS have a desktop client that supports on-demand file synchronization (a la OneDrive) rather than just selective folder sync? Does it support storing files as is in a natural directory structure or is everything stored as a flat file blob? Is it able to handle external storage even if that external storage is physical storage on a container mount point?
Owncloud is an enshittified mess. There are very good reasons that Nextcloud hardforked and ran. Stay far away.
Nextcloud is just really slow. It is what it is, I don’t use it for any things that are huge, numerous, or need speed. For that I use SyncThing or something even more specialized depending on what exactly I’m trying to do.
Nextcloud is just my easy and convenient little dropbox, and I treat it like it’s an oldschool free dropbox with limited space that’s going to nag me to upgrade if I put too much stuff in it. It won’t nag me to upgrade, but it will get slow. So I just don’t stress it out. So I only use it to store little convenience things that I want easy access to on all my machines without any fuss. For documents and “home directory” and syncing my calendars and stuff like that it’s great and serves the purpose.
I haven’t used Seafile. Features sound good, minus the AI buzzword soup, but it looks a little too corporate-enterprisey for me, with minimal commitment to open source and no actual link to anything open source on their website, I don’t doubt that it exists, somewhere, but that raises red flags for potential future (if not in-progress) enshittification to me. After eventually finding their github repo (with no help from them) I finally found a link to build instructions and… it’s a broken link. They don’t seem to actually be looking for contributions or they’re just going through the motions. Open source “community” is clearly not the target audience for their “community edition”, not really.
I’ll stick to SyncThing.
My install is bare metal, all SSD, redis and php-fpm optimization and I’m extremely happy with the performance. Also use transcoding from an Intel a380 and use Memories for the whole family. Works snappy and flawless. You need to tweak the php settings.
