If they’re not publicly viewable, how do you expect people to know to look for them? How many communities / subreddits have you become a part of because you saw a post from it crop up on your feed?
Reddit or Lemmy isn’t a great to lace for private communities. If you want to be restrictive of who can participate go to a service that supports it like discord. If you want people to join your X only thing that is a you problem, it’s not on everyone else to help you with it.
It’s a public community - anyone is welcome to read the content. They only ask that people with the specific lived experience comment in the threads. If you’re not interested in the content then, like the rest of Lemmy, it’s on you to block it.
i love how this common sense reply is downvoted because it isn’t agreeing with the weird popular sentiment here that you should be able to take public space and make exclusive rules about who can use it.
also the hypocrisy of the reactions if the community in question was male only and women participating against the rules would be see as heroic instead of transgressive.
When men make up 97.5% of Lemmy’s overall traffic, yes, literally this but non-sarcastically. If women make posts in women-focused communities and the posts get overrun by men and the women get downvoted and dogpiled in their own communities, do you think they’re just going to stay on Lemmy?
No, they’re going back to Reddit where there are enough women users to have an on-topic conversation that doesn’t immediately get derailed.
Where’d you get that stat? That feels high. I certainly have never been asked to show my penis on Lemmy or anything like that. The signup thing also doesn’t ask for gender.
It’s a stat someone provided on c/womensstuff a long time ago when I joined. It’s something I just accepted without investigating further. I don’t remember whether that poster cited any sources, although it might have been from survey I can’t find, so I investigated it last night, anticipating this exact (and justified response).
Certain instances, instances like lemmy.ca, do run demographic surveys. But when I looked at that, it was actually a different number than what I gave. For instance, lemmy.ca’s (to my knowledge) most recent survey put women at 6.4% and men at 87.8%. Now, there are inevitable methodological flaws due to the nature of lemmy being a federated platform. ca’s survey had 513 participants, which is about half the sample size you’d want for a proportion to be representative of a population. But even if we had a sample size of 1000, it still probably wouldn’t be representative of all of lemmy, because I would assume Beehaw and Blahaj have a higher proportion of women and nonbinary people while many of the other instances would be mostly men.
That being said, just given the posts I regularly see on lemmy and the commenters on there, I would assume – with an unknown margin of error – that lemmy.ca is somewhat representative of lemmy, in that there is some male majority on the platform. It just makes sense because early adopted technology tends to be mostly male and most of the comments I see appear to be from men.
Because it’s hard or even impossible to prove a negative (my assertion that women aren’t an ultraminority on lemmy), I realize how easy it is to pick apart and dismiss my core argument based on my estimate of the number alone. And I don’t really have any recourse to this when data is as limited as it is. Initial signs point to the platform being a supermajority of men, but I could definitely be wrong.
Feel free to reply and contribute to the discourse, but I’m going to mute this thread and take a break from lemmy for a while. There’s such a vocal (likely) majority who are so offended by the idea of women having one community to call their own. I don’t think I’ll ever convince the folks here why I think c/womensstuff has the right to exist in its current form, and they’ll never convince me. Discussions on c/witchesvspatriarchy constantly get brigaded and go off-topic to the point where it’s often not usable as it was originally intended, and womensstuff would become that too if it allowed male commenters. If the mods change the roles or if other instances defederate Blahaj over “segregation,” there’s nothing I can really do about that and I’d probably just be done with internet forums at this point.
I’m remembering how I left Reddit in the first place because of how toxic those communities could get, and how comparatively harmonious lemmy is. That’s still the case, but I’m tired over all the discourse toward this one community – it’s a reoccuring thing – and I’m actively making things worse by continuing to debate people over when there’s no way one group will ever successfully convince the other.
X only communities shouldn’t be publicly viewable.
If they’re not publicly viewable, how do you expect people to know to look for them? How many communities / subreddits have you become a part of because you saw a post from it crop up on your feed?
tons of FB and reddit communities are private. you can see they exist from search but you can’t access content unless you join
Reddit or Lemmy isn’t a great to lace for private communities. If you want to be restrictive of who can participate go to a service that supports it like discord. If you want people to join your X only thing that is a you problem, it’s not on everyone else to help you with it.
It’s a public community - anyone is welcome to read the content. They only ask that people with the specific lived experience comment in the threads. If you’re not interested in the content then, like the rest of Lemmy, it’s on you to block it.
It’s not public if you block participation.
i love how this common sense reply is downvoted because it isn’t agreeing with the weird popular sentiment here that you should be able to take public space and make exclusive rules about who can use it.
also the hypocrisy of the reactions if the community in question was male only and women participating against the rules would be see as heroic instead of transgressive.
But if you do that, every community will be men-only because all the women will have left 🙃
Right, women can only exist in exclusive environments.
When men make up 97.5% of Lemmy’s overall traffic, yes, literally this but non-sarcastically. If women make posts in women-focused communities and the posts get overrun by men and the women get downvoted and dogpiled in their own communities, do you think they’re just going to stay on Lemmy?
No, they’re going back to Reddit where there are enough women users to have an on-topic conversation that doesn’t immediately get derailed.
Where’d you get that stat? That feels high. I certainly have never been asked to show my penis on Lemmy or anything like that. The signup thing also doesn’t ask for gender.
It’s a stat someone provided on c/womensstuff a long time ago when I joined. It’s something I just accepted without investigating further. I don’t remember whether that poster cited any sources, although it might have been from survey I can’t find, so I investigated it last night, anticipating this exact (and justified response).
Certain instances, instances like lemmy.ca, do run demographic surveys. But when I looked at that, it was actually a different number than what I gave. For instance, lemmy.ca’s (to my knowledge) most recent survey put women at 6.4% and men at 87.8%. Now, there are inevitable methodological flaws due to the nature of lemmy being a federated platform. ca’s survey had 513 participants, which is about half the sample size you’d want for a proportion to be representative of a population. But even if we had a sample size of 1000, it still probably wouldn’t be representative of all of lemmy, because I would assume Beehaw and Blahaj have a higher proportion of women and nonbinary people while many of the other instances would be mostly men.
That being said, just given the posts I regularly see on lemmy and the commenters on there, I would assume – with an unknown margin of error – that lemmy.ca is somewhat representative of lemmy, in that there is some male majority on the platform. It just makes sense because early adopted technology tends to be mostly male and most of the comments I see appear to be from men.
Because it’s hard or even impossible to prove a negative (my assertion that women aren’t an ultraminority on lemmy), I realize how easy it is to pick apart and dismiss my core argument based on my estimate of the number alone. And I don’t really have any recourse to this when data is as limited as it is. Initial signs point to the platform being a supermajority of men, but I could definitely be wrong.
Feel free to reply and contribute to the discourse, but I’m going to mute this thread and take a break from lemmy for a while. There’s such a vocal (likely) majority who are so offended by the idea of women having one community to call their own. I don’t think I’ll ever convince the folks here why I think c/womensstuff has the right to exist in its current form, and they’ll never convince me. Discussions on c/witchesvspatriarchy constantly get brigaded and go off-topic to the point where it’s often not usable as it was originally intended, and womensstuff would become that too if it allowed male commenters. If the mods change the roles or if other instances defederate Blahaj over “segregation,” there’s nothing I can really do about that and I’d probably just be done with internet forums at this point.
I’m remembering how I left Reddit in the first place because of how toxic those communities could get, and how comparatively harmonious lemmy is. That’s still the case, but I’m tired over all the discourse toward this one community – it’s a reoccuring thing – and I’m actively making things worse by continuing to debate people over when there’s no way one group will ever successfully convince the other.