• yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de
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    11 hours ago

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-troops-raped-tortured-children-ukraine-un-panel-says-rcna49168

    The report:

    https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements/2022/09/update-chair-independent-international-commission-inquiry-ukraine-51st-session

    In the cases we have investigated, the age of victims of sexual and gendered-based violence ranged from four to 82 years. The Commission has documented cases in which children have been raped, tortured, and unlawfully confined. Children have also been killed and injured in indiscriminate attacks with explosive weapons.

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      9 hours ago

      UN back at it again with “we have witness testimony but no evidence of this adversary of the US doing horrifying acts”

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        8 hours ago

        Or:

        "We have found the evidence to be nonexistent, the case to be exaggerated, the timing and backers to be suspect

        But US media needs a soundbite so here’s a short dismissal and a long condemnation"

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      8 hours ago

      I followed the sources they link and the ones those link and found that the best substantiation they have is “according to the accounts collected by some NGOs”.

      Here’s some more up-to-date info regarding a previous ICJ case against Russia, so we can weigh up how much these accusations might be based on fact. Spoiler alert: every accusation is a confession. I’ll quote a relevant bit to your atrocity propaganda peddling:

      The Court has held that certain materials, such as press articles and extracts from publications, are regarded ‘not as evidence capable of proving facts.’

      And this one, regarding the reliability of testimonies presented by Ukraine.

      The ICJ was also highly condemnatory of the quality of witnesses and witness evidence produced by Kiev to support these charges[…] Statements attesting to this were “collected many years after the relevant events” and “not supported by corroborating documentation”

      I don’t doubt there must be unspeakable shit happening, there’s been a war for so long that monsters are bound to take part. But I’ll hold my judgement as to how systematic it is until evidence is presented (which it absolutely hasn’t been), not just claims by notorious liars who said the same shit about Hamas without any evidence and no pushback from these very same publications.

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      11 hours ago

      According to the report though there have just been some cases of Russian soldiers doing it. There doesn’t appear to be the weaponised use of sexual violence a la Isreal, but ya wars are always like this. I’ll never understand the people who simp for them.

      Edit: Before any one wants to call me out for minimising SA

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings

      Literally every war ever is full of SA

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        8 hours ago

        And the report provides… zero evidence. How come there’s plenty of evidence for Ukraine’s crimes (always discredited as Russia propaganda) but Ukraine can just say shit and it’s up to everyone else to prove they’re lying?