Zoom still doesn’t work right on Wayland.
Possibly, yet against their best efforts, their shit works better now, see the end of this comment. But first:
I’ve ranted about this before, but Zoom is bone-chillingly badly written software. It’s also the only piece of software that I’ve never seen the code of, but will make comments about code quality and development practice with 100% certainty.
Zoom has broken for me in so many many completely insane and creative ways that the only explanation is that they have nobody keeping things in check and just an army of interns hacking away at things half-assedly until they “work”.
If there are 3 nice and standard ways to do things that can be easily googled, Zoom does a given thing in 2 more ass-backwards ways that make no sense and are fragile as fuck. E.g. they did screen sharing using GNOME’s screenshot API, at a time when every tutorial told you to use the dedicated cross-DE screencast API. When called out, they switched to a different GNOME API.
I think at this point they finally fixed it by actually using the API people told them to use years earlier, but who knows what other inane mistakes are still there to prevent things from working.
As someone who uses many of its features for job interviews on a Wayland machine, what doesn’t work?
no screen sharing software works on it.
Liar. Proof by contradiction: Everything I use works (KDE Plasma).
- Discord
- Slack
- Teams
- even Zoom, despite being a dogshit pile of hacks
You can include Google meet, rust desk and jitsi as well
Yeh, zoom works on one of my two main machines on wayland…
See my rant about Zoom here: https://vger.to/lemmy.ml/comment/22183939
tl;dr: if there’s any issue with Zoom, you can always bet that it’s Zoom’s fault. Its bug density is just so much higher than anything else you run on a regular system.
I don’t appreciate being called a liar either, fuckface.
now we’re even.
Three-day suspension. Come back when you’ve learned to regulate your emotions.
What you said is literally incorrect. There are screen sharing applications that work on Wayland. I just used one ten minutes ago.
so you’re sticking with “it works on my machine” then. cool.
also incorrect does not mean liar.
incorrect means not correct.
You said “no screen sharing software works on it”. If “it” is anything other than your POS laptop, then you’re a fucking liar
if I’m a liar you’re a fuckface.
Well… you just said no software works. They’ve given you counter examples, now you either have to cite examples of software not working with screen sharing or you’re the fool
- teams
- slack
- zoom
- Firefox browser capture for web screen share
never have I had any of these work for me, I’m not the only one either.
still doesn’t make me a liar and we can both be right.
Then you should have said “for me” or “on my machine”, but instead you said “no screen sharing software works on it” in a context where “it” can only be interpreted as Wayland in general.
And that’s wrong and you know it.
You said “no screen sharing software”.
- That’s wrong
- It’s pretty much impossible that you don’t know that some screen sharing software works on Wayland
Consequently, that was a lie. Or you suck at expressing yourself and meant something different than what you wrote. But as written, definitely a lie.
I screen share on Slack with Wayland at work every day
when endeavour switched over to wayland my session just completely stopped working. couldn’t get past the login screen. had to reinstall xorg from tty. not touching that again until i get new hardware.
idk about your DE, but on KDE and gnome you can have both and choose Wayland or x11 at the login screen.
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Mr ChatGPT didn’t even understand that the meme is agreeing with its anti-Wayland prompt lol.
I need some context for the picture?
I miss screensavers :(
One of the things that keeps me on x11 is xscreensaver. I disable the desktop environments blanking and install xscreensaver each time I load a system for myself.
Me too… :((
Doesn’t Wayland slow to a crawl under CPU load? I get mouse updates like once a second if I dare to make this mini PC play a video.
No, it doesn’t.
Club is a war crime. I rest my case.
Idk, especially when using the most recent version of Wayland compositors, it’s been great. Solved my display and touchpad issues.
I did have some Nvidia issues but that shouldn’t be surprising regardless of display protocol.
But like… use whatever software you want. Worst case you can always just nest a minimal Wayland compositor like cage or gamescope in your X session.
This is what I am going to think about every time I am being stubborn and refusing to move until all my demands are met. “I shouldn’t back down, I’m Christopher fuckin’ Walken!”
My kid (13) surprised me the other day and said he wanted to try Linux. He has seen me forever using it and got scared about W10 getting hacked or something so thought of trying it out.
I handed over to him my Fedora 43 (KDE plasma) install USB drive and once installed the problems began.
The monitor couldn’t be set to native resolution, and Steam didn’t want to run. Turns out that there is no wayland compatibility with the Radeon Polaris RX480. What a bummer, that card is perfectly fine for what he does on his PC.
We tried with the cinnamon version and that is working fine. He even has roblox running.
Tl;Dr: Wayland isn’t compatible with older hardware that most casual windows users are mostly going to be using.
If he wants to try plasma just install the x11 version on fedora:
sudo dnf install plasma-workspace-x11
Yup. Its not the default anymore (and for good reason), but it is still supported for now. This is a pretty straightforward solution to the problem.
I think in on Wayland now.
But honestly I don’t know, I’m just doing updates as they come and it just works.
Problem with Wayland, is the liability of being to not able the use of some software, and not being able to foresee it.
X11 is also working well, and a lot of the “issues” people have with it is more about hearsay than real issues.
This is the reason why we have distro diversity: we can choose ! And laugh at innocent memes either way we feel about it
This is your freedom, enjoy it.
You’re absolutely free to maintain X11 when no one else does
I just can’t give up dwm tbh. dwl is just a mess in terms of using it with a different keyboard layout (the keybinds that come by default work properly only on US keyboards) and needing to use fcitx (fcitx only worked on LibreWolf and nothing else, even after I tried using patches for this).
I will happily switch over once libinput isn’t absolute ass with my touchpad! Or if I could adjust its settings in any meaningful way!! Or if you could let me use my old touchpad driver!!!
Until then you can attempt to pry x11 from my cold undead still-animated hands
Plasma devs are currently focusing on input devices. Ideal time to offer them to help test your device and get amazing support out of it.
Or you could sit on your ass and do nothing, which is essentially gambling that they’ll happen to support it (or your next device) when you’re forced to switch at some point in the future.
