Tell your friend to log the IP address and report it to the authorities. They might need to turn over the entire modlog as well
This is likely in reference to the federation of such images posted elsewhere
There’s always someone who doesn’t mind ruining it for everyone else. Probably safest to just delete all the images, that way there’s no need to look.
Bad actors will try to nuke the entire platform to maintain a monopoly on this format of communication and community.
Who could you posspezibly be referring to?
Is it the android? The lone skum? Or someone else entirely?
Once again reaffirming why I refuse to host an instance. If I ever do, I’m not federating with any of you degenerates lol
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Federation still causes those images to be saved on your hardware, even if the account that creates it is hosted somewhere else.
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It’s serious flaw of federation #19865438736 that’ll go ignored even when innocent instance admins end up getting jailed over it
It’s software currently in development so hopefully they’ll find alternative ways to handle it.
This is kinda a major problem with lemmy, and the idea that they don’t have CSAM detection on the roadmap is going to make wide adoption a near impossibility. The other thing though is that even automated CSAM detection isn’t 100%, so hosting your own instance likely means you’re going to have to view CSAM and other fucked up shit at some point to properly moderate it, even if you’re just hosting for yourself. Tbh I was strongly considering hosting my own instance because it’s not like, that hard/expensive, but this saga has turned me completely off of that idea, even just for myself.
This actually makes me wonder how much reddit mods deal with this type of thing instead of paid employees like facebook, which has a paid army dealing with content moderation on facebook. Oh, and talking about xitter now which has neither volunteer mods and no moderation team since Elon fired them all, I assume that the freaks have just decided that’s their hosting platform of choice.
I’ll be honest, I’m probably just going to do a scheduled wipe of the pictrs directory of my local instance every week or whatever. I’ve done them manually a few times and they’ve had zero affect on my experience.
If your local instance is just you, and you never post on your local instance, you could likely just wipe the local images nightly without any issue. Unless I am mistaken, any missing images would simply be downloaded again, since they all originated from another instance.
Yep, just me. That not a bad idea. Even I post something would other instances reference mine or would it matter once it’s synced?
Actually that’s a good question, I’m not familiar enough with how lemmy works to be 100% certain. My initial assumption is that you’re pushing your info to another instance, and it’s never actually hosted on your own apart from the fact that it’s federated, and you’re viewing it.
I think it was an issue where the CSAM was being copied to servers via normal federation with the instance(s) being spammed.
I’m glad s/he was able to nuke the CSAM, even if other material was nuked with it. This crap is why I’m not hosting.
Please, call it CSAM (child sexual abuse material) and not CP (child pornography). The children in these photos/videos can’t make pornography, they’re sexually abused into making this material. CP insinuates that it’s legitimate porn with children. CSAM, on the other hand, calls it what it is: sexual abuse of children.
That is needlessly pedantic. I have never heard of anyone using the word pornography to imply legality or moral acceptability. There is no such thing as “legitimate” CP, so there is no need to specify that it’s not ok every time it is mentioned. No one in their right mind would presume he’s some kind of CP supporting monster for failing to do so.
If we spent more time fixing things rather than naming them the world would be a better place.
No one in their right mind would assume that OP is. But the term was created to legitimize the material. So, while you’re correct in that it is picky, it is also picky for a reason. Words are powerful. We should fight to not empower the legitimation of that term, among other things.
But the term was created to legitimize the material.
Do you have a source for that? I can’t find anything that states the origin of the term itself is seedy. Besides, it’s just a plain description: it’s pornography with children in it.
The only sources I can find that support CSAM over CP claim that CP somehow implies consent. But I’m saying that simply isn’t the case. I am not saying that words arent powerful. I am not saying that no words ever need to be changed. I am saying that these words don’t need to be changed.
Based on those same sources, I’d speculate that this outrage is just misplaced anger. They almost immediately start talking about how bad sexual abuse is, which is not really relevant to whether it should be called CP or CSAM. Just because CP is bad, does not mean the term CP is bad.
Honestly, I don’t care what you choose to call it. Our world warrants us certain freedoms, and how we use those freedoms will set the stage for the future world. As you’ve said, CP implies consent. If you would like to spread the implication that these children somehow consented to be part of this sexual abuse material, then keep calling it CP. I, with the rest of those who wish to not spread the lie that they consented, will call it CSAM.
Just because you aren’t affected doesn’t mean it is no problem. This isn’t needlessly pedantic, it just shows your ignorance and idiocy.
Not even close. Giving it a new name doesn’t magically fix the problem. Join the real world, no matter what name you give something, it’s still the same thing.
If I really wanted to seek some sort of discrepancy in the way its being named I’d argue youre changing the name so you can one day defend yourself by calling your noncey stash “legitimate” and therefore it is abuse material.
All in all, who gives a fuck what name its got. It’s pure, unadulterated idiocy to think abused children are hurting because of the fact us non-abusers call it child porn and not sexual abuse material.
Well I didn’t say it fixes the problem. I’m just saying you’re ignoring it. By ignoring the issue, you’re empowering the issue. Which is definitely worse than not doing anything. So your opinion is wrong and ill-educated.
Exactly what issue is being ignored by not changing an already established name for something thats already widely agreed to be vile and disgusting?
Are you serious? Instead of doubling down on your ignorancy by asking rhetorical questions you could also try to inform yourself. The answer to your question is in OP’s post:
The children in these photos/videos can’t make pornography, they’re sexually abused into making this material. CP insinuates that it’s legitimate porn with children. CSAM, on the other hand, calls it what it is: sexual abuse of children.
Edward Bernays would disagree on the lack of power of words.
Do you have an ad deal for this book or something? Bernays can eat a bag of dicks, this is case where the name doesn’t matter. The concept of it is always bad full stop. There’s no need to be pedantic. Honestly, I feel calling it CSAM could be detrimental because I didn’t know what that stood for before this thread. If I had just seen a post with “CSAM” in the title, I would have scrolled right on by because it meant nothing to me. Everyone knows what CP is and everyone knows it’s disgusting.
Nope. But he’s the father of modern propaganda. Doesn’t really matter if you agree with him, you’ve been influenced by him and you wouldn’t have known it (me, too. Everyone). The thing is, CP is only disgusting if you’re right in the head. Many people aren’t. They see it as exciting child porn, when it’s abuse (you see it as abuse, I see it as abuse, they see it as porn). The term change is a type of rebranding. I didn’t know what CP stood for until a few months ago, when they started talking about CSAM on tv and radio. Before then, I would have seen CP on this post and would have scrolled past. Being concerned with formal rules is the basis of our society, what brands CSAM as ‘abuse material’ and not ‘child pornography’.
a the rapist
I know that guy Tobias Fünke, althought he also is a analysist. He had some clever abreviation for that as well!
Bless you ❤️
I’m not gonna lie, I’m surprised it took this long for some dipshit to try something like this. Lemmy’s security has more holes in it than a piece of Swiss cheese and we’re fools if we think it’s viable enough for it to serve as a long-term home for new social media.
We really, really need a better social structure than federation.
Lemmy’s security has more holes in it than a piece of Swiss cheese
This has very little to do with security. There’s inherently “insecure” about posting CSAM, since the accounts and images were likely posted just like any other.
What really needs to happen, is some sort of detection of that kind of content (which would likely require a large change to code) or additional moderation tools.
The lack of those tools is what I was talking about
Ah okay, those arent generally considered security but I can understand why you went that route I suppose.
Does anyone know why they were never put in?
Software development is a balancing act. You need to pick and choose not only what features to add, but when to add them. Sometimes, mistakes are made in the planning and you get a situation like this.
What likely happened, is that these kinds of features were deemed less likely to be needed, since the majority of lemmy users will never run into the need of them and there is technically a way to handle the situation (nuking your instances image cache.) But you’ll likely see a reshuffling of priorities if these kinds of attacks become more prevalent.
Lemmy’s security
I think you mis-spelled moderation tools, nice quick fix would have been to block posts from new users on X instance and have a pinned post briefly covering why - they’ll eventually run out of instances that don’t have open signups IMO or just give up.
Another mod tools option would be rate limiting of posts, i.e. users can only make a new shitpost every 10-15min, rather than unlimited times per minute
Those are all fundamental aspects of Lemmy’s security that should be there but are not
In the meanwhile, my YunoHost based instance that still hasn’t managed to make Pict-RS work and therefore can’t even store images even if it wanted to is doing juuuuust fine
Come to think of it, if you’re the only user, it’s kinda protecting you, isn’t it? (hello fellow Yunohost user!)
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You referenced the Nazi term, “degenerate.” Most of the time the people behind these attacks are very much aligned with Nazi ideology.
You are dumb.
It’s never a drag queen, it’s always an authority.
I don’t think anyone ever brought up drag queens being behind it, OP’s just using a word that has evolved in meaning. Much like how words like “stupid”, “moron”, etc went from official terms to refer to the mentally disabled, to slurs, to regular insults.
Nazis targeted people for sexual degeneracy before they went after the Jews. I was simply pointing out that most CP posting hackers are in fact, Nazis themselves and the title is using Nazi terminology to place blame on degenerates.
Well, it doesn’t appear that you have learned the concept of language shift.
Degeneracy is always a Nazi ideology.
Please leave
I don’t think paedophilla really has a place on the political spectrum. Stop labelling everything you’re against as Nazi. It’s not giving you the clarity to think about what you’re fighting against.
I like how you twisted my words to imply that I support pedophilia in your disingenuous response. It really shows that you’re a committed sack of shit, and by extension it shows your allegiance.
I realise this is nearly a week old, but I don’t come back very often.
I assumed you were against paedophilla. I assumed you were against Nazis. I did not twist your words to say any different. What I said was that the two are not the same, even if you hate both.
Conflating the two just muddies the waters. Fighting nazis won’t solve paedophilla, and fighting paedophilla won’t solve Nazism.
Sounds like you’re the committed sack of shit, you disingenuous “degenerate”. People like you are what’s wrong with the world and why I enlisted. Yet another reason I won’t hesitate when the order is given to set 1SQ for nuclear launch. Hooyah America.
Nazis don’t have access to the Lemmy backend the way the devs do, and the devs are tankies. Tankies hate Nazis. And this attack would have required knowledge of Lemmy backend only a dev would have, so it can’t have been the Nazis.
It very well might have been tankies, though.
“Degenerate” is a word that has been used by many people in many contexts both before and after nazis were in power. It’s the privative prefix “de-” + the latin root for creation/birth. Broadly speaking, it just means someone or something altered over time in a way that they no longer function properly. I see how it can be used in a way that aligns with nazi ideology, but that’s not all it can be used for, or how it’s used here.
Degeneracy is the core ideology behind every genocide. You accuse me of not understanding language shift. I say you don’t understand the overton window.
This is like saying “Everyone who’s ever called for genocide described their targets as bad people, therefore calling someone a bad person is genocidal ideology”. The word “degenerate”:
- Doesn’t originate in genocidal ideology
- Doesn’t have an intrinsically genocidal meaning
- Has continuously been used in non-political contexts.
If we keep banning every word of the dictionary that a nazi has ever used, fascists will end up the only ones able to talk…
This is like saying “Everyone who’s ever called for genocide described their targets as bas people, therefore calling someone a bad person is genocidal ideology”.
It’s not like that at all. I am bringing awareness to the ideology behind the word. As soon as you start declaring a class of people degenerate, you begin enacting a genocide. Are you delusional enough to think this happens all at once? The authorities labelling normality and degeneracy are in the process of culling outliers who don’t feel comfortable under their authority.
I didn’t say we should ban it. I posted so that it could be used more accurately. The only degenerates are the fascists. They’ve programmed themselves into blind obedience. They will Not-See anything they’re told.
Degeneracy is always a Nazi ideology
Degeneracy is the core ideology behind every genocide.
Damn, I didn’t think I’d learn something new today, but as it turns out, the Ottoman genocide of the Armenians, Assyrians and Greeks and the historical Chinese genocide of the Dzungar and the more recent genocide of the Uyghur people were because they were thought to be degenerates by the ruling National Socialist parties.
And here I was thinking ‘Nazi’ specifically referred to the Nazi Party members and modern white supremacists who support it, and not every nationalistic faction that has ever committed crimes against humanity.
You may not realise it, but you water down the word Nazi when you brandish it so casually. When you go around saying everything is Nazi ideology, people won’t listen when something actually is.
You may not realize it, but when you split hairs you draw imaginary distinctions in what amounts to a hierarchy of worship to power that results in the violent enforcement of a culture from the top.
EVERY SINGLE HIERARCHY THAT USES VIOLENCE TO MAINTAIN ITSELF IS INHERENTLY FASCISTIC AND GENOCIDAL
Protection is the core ideology behind every dictatorship
Guys, I think this is a troll account. Probably from the same bad actors that caused the original issue OP is complaining about.
Illegal images didn’t work, so they took the “talk about Nazis” approach.
I think you’re the child molesting Nazi, how about that?
We can all just say whatever the fuck we want without any proof or cause!
Would you like a hug?
I’d like all Nazi punks to fuck off to hell where they came from.
I dont understand why this post is downvoted so much. It is calling the people who undermine Lemmy with CP Nazis (which they probably are) and points out some historical context of a specific term. I thought Lemmy would be up for that.
There’s a strong right wing element in the Lemmy comment section, especially in places where abusive behavior can be disguised as comedy or virtue signaling. I don’t care about the votes. If they hate me, I’m still in their heads.
No, there’s a lot of people who don’t want their language destroyed by people saying everything is a dog whistle.
Degenerate isn’t a Nazi term. It’s an insult, and insults are useful.
If you don’t want the word degeneracy associated with scientific racism you’re going to need a time machine to the 1700s, because the idea of social degeneracy started then. This was the first stepping stone to eugenics as practiced by the United States against minorities, which in turn was the foundation for Nazi race “science.” There is a straight line through those points that are all united by the idea of degeneracy.
If you want words to mean things then you can’t ignore their history.
Terms evolve over time though
Degeneracy is a core tenant of Nazi ideology. I didn’t invent this. You’re arguing from ignorance.
I agree. This word is almost exclusively used by Nazis now. Let’s not use that word to refer to people, no matter how bad the things they do.
It’s common terminology deeply rooted in internet culture. People call themselves degenerates due to being unable to pursue social interactions in real life
This whole thread is pretty hilarious to me. When ever I hear the word “degenerate” I am generally expecting it to be during the intro to a Twisted Sister video.
edit: Also, we’re talking about labeling CSAM spreaders as degenerates. Pick all of the bad words. I don’t fucking care which ones, and I literally will not give a single, tiny little pea-sized shit about applying to those that traffic in CSAM.
