I don’t think I’m informed enough to have an opinion the whole industry but I live in a rural area and know plenty of farmers. I don’t think they’re cruel to their livestock.
I don’t think I’m informed enough to have an opinion on whether artificially inseminating an animal when it appears to be resisting is cruel, or not—but if you are self aware enough to admit that then consider that causing an animal undue stress and/or pain seemingly against it’s will may be on a level of cruelty that you may have not considered, and is part of a system that may no longer be necessary due to our current level of technology as it was in the past. They used to not anesthetize babies for surgery because it was widely believed that they couldn’t feel pain, now we know better than that.
It sounds like you may be making an assumption that might makes right, and just because we are more complex and intelligent than other creature that somehow means our lives are inherently worth more than theirs and that innately gives us the right to kill animals for food and resources—despite having the ability to no longer depend on that as our ancestors did. That or you possibly believe that we were given divine agency to do so, idk. I say all this as someone who currently consumes meat. It’s just something to consider
I certainly think people are more important than non-people. but there is no such thing as inherent worth. worthiness is a value statement, and is subjective.
I realize you didn’t use the words “might makes right”, but that is essentially what you are saying when you say our live are more important. Why do you think they are more important? Because of our intelligence? Would that mean that the lived of a more intelligent species would be worth more than our own? And if so, why do you think that? Do you think it would give them the right to eat us? I’m not saying I disagree with you that a human is more important per se, but I can’t really imagine a truly justifiable why reason it would be that doesn’t rely on logical fallacy and superstition
All people? Are you saying that animal lives don’t have any value whatsoever? Saying that you value people and saying that our lives aren’t inherently more valuable than another’s aren’t mutually exclusive. What metric is that value based on? Or is it purely emotional? Do you think that value you attribute to people has a conditional effect on their value versus someone else’s opinion?
I’m not going to harass you to answer that or say that you’re wrong or argue about it. But you started this by arguing with someone on the “logic” of something—and It’s healthy to challenge your beliefs, convictions, and opinions and to ask yourself what the real bases of those are, and the root of your own logic. That is all that I’m getting at
Do you feel that the meat industry in its current form is cruel or no? As opposed to hunting and/or typical ranching and animal husbandry
I don’t think I’m informed enough to have an opinion the whole industry but I live in a rural area and know plenty of farmers. I don’t think they’re cruel to their livestock.
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I don’t think I’m informed enough to have an opinion on whether artificially inseminating an animal when it appears to be resisting is cruel, or not—but if you are self aware enough to admit that then consider that causing an animal undue stress and/or pain seemingly against it’s will may be on a level of cruelty that you may have not considered, and is part of a system that may no longer be necessary due to our current level of technology as it was in the past. They used to not anesthetize babies for surgery because it was widely believed that they couldn’t feel pain, now we know better than that.
It sounds like you may be making an assumption that might makes right, and just because we are more complex and intelligent than other creature that somehow means our lives are inherently worth more than theirs and that innately gives us the right to kill animals for food and resources—despite having the ability to no longer depend on that as our ancestors did. That or you possibly believe that we were given divine agency to do so, idk. I say all this as someone who currently consumes meat. It’s just something to consider
I certainly think people are more important than non-people. but there is no such thing as inherent worth. worthiness is a value statement, and is subjective.
I realize you didn’t use the words “might makes right”, but that is essentially what you are saying when you say our live are more important. Why do you think they are more important? Because of our intelligence? Would that mean that the lived of a more intelligent species would be worth more than our own? And if so, why do you think that? Do you think it would give them the right to eat us? I’m not saying I disagree with you that a human is more important per se, but I can’t really imagine a truly justifiable why reason it would be that doesn’t rely on logical fallacy and superstition
because I value people.
All people? Are you saying that animal lives don’t have any value whatsoever? Saying that you value people and saying that our lives aren’t inherently more valuable than another’s aren’t mutually exclusive. What metric is that value based on? Or is it purely emotional? Do you think that value you attribute to people has a conditional effect on their value versus someone else’s opinion?
I’m not going to harass you to answer that or say that you’re wrong or argue about it. But you started this by arguing with someone on the “logic” of something—and It’s healthy to challenge your beliefs, convictions, and opinions and to ask yourself what the real bases of those are, and the root of your own logic. That is all that I’m getting at
Ive said nothing of the sort