Hey guys! I’m getting into the open source world and for years, i am finally hoing to try Linux! However, i see a lot of complains about Ubuntu and i just dont know why. What are you guys complains about Ubuntu? My next PC will come with Ubuntu. Do you guys think i should use Mint instead? Need help.
My complaint is that Ubuntu is flirting with becoming proprietary software. Don’t get me wrong they’re nowhere near closed source or such but still.
That and they have some mechanics that feel counter intuitive to me. (But that’s personal taste)
I’d choose mint then. Just because it has a more “traditional windows” (don’t think about 11, don’t think about 11,…vom) styled flow to it.
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Pick any distro and just start trying to live your life in there. A lot of beginners, including myself, will distro hop on look and feel. Ubuntu looks neat or Mint is more like windows. Elementry OS has that glossy vibe. Which is all a ton of fun, but look and feel goes out the window when you find out that program you need for work is packaged as an RPM but not DEB and now you gotta install it from source. And don’t get me wrong. Always tinker, research and discover solutions. I’m just saying as you get more experienced, the distro hopping decision becomes more focused on ease of use rather than look and feel. So save yourself some time and just focus on using whatever distro you installed. The sooner you start trying to live in a distro the sooner you see what works out of the box, what takes some tinkering, and what is just way harder than it needs to be. As you do research on the issues you run into you may find another distro is better suited to your workflow.
I have some systems with newer hardware that would probably work fine on Debian, but drivers aren’t native and it’s going to require installing from source/recompiling a newer kernel and troubleshooting for an hour or a day or days lol. In these cases it is easier to install a distro that already has the driver packaged in its repo ready to go.
I will say most of those issues lead me to and have been resolved by Fedora. But I still have a couple systems where Ubuntu is just easier for what those systems are doing because it has specific drivers ready to go easier than Fedora.
If you read this and are over there wanting the complete opposite experience to tinker with everything and have it be as hard as possible… See Alpine linux, which I will master someday lol.
My only issue with Ubuntu is that snap feels fairly clunky. That’s why I moved to fedora. Also, definitely worth looking at pop os. But, all of them come down to personal preference
I think these days, Linus Torvalds moved to fedora
This is mostly why I switched away from Ubuntu as well, I prefer flatpack. But again this is a minor thing that if you are just switching you shouldn’t care about I think.
Genuine question: Am I missing something? I use Ubuntu and never use the Snap store. I only use the apt repository to install applications I find online. What is the advantage of Flathub over my current setup?
Sometimes even if you use apt, you’re really using the snap store. I believe Firefox is one such example.
Second the rec for Pop OS. It’s basically Ubuntu without Snap (with some other differences as well, of course). Cosmic is pretty nice though I encountered a few show-stopping issues on my office PC that pushed me off it. They may have been fixed by now, though.
Debian+KDE for me, though. Using it in the office, at home, and on my portable mini-ITX streaming box, and it does everything I ask of it without getting in my way.
Ubuntu is fine. Mint is fine. If you have a newer device id pick ubuntu over mint. Its a matter of preference. If your next PC comes with ubuntu use that and see how you like it. If you dont try out mint, try out fedora KDE as well.
Use whatever feels comfortable. Both are fine. People are complaining about micro annoyances that should not really affect you at first.
When you get comfortable with Linux, you’ll also get to pick sides in micro battles like KDE vs Gnome, vi vs emacs, systemd vs sysv, flatpak vs snap and all the other wonderful my-side-is-better-than-yours fights.
micro battles like KDE vs Gnome
I don’t think that’s a small thing for someone new to Linux.
I prefer Xfce over MATE, KDE, and Cinnamon because I use old computers. I wouldn’t recommend modern GNOME.
systemd vs sysv
There is no systemd vs sysv war. It is systemd suck or systemd fine.
Indeed. It seems that everyone dislikes sysv, but a small group can’t decide on what the better option is.
flatpaks are objectively better though.
This is an objectively false statement. There are at least one scenario I can think of where Snap is better than flatpak.
If taking minutes to launch one application is a plus?
Snaps run CLI programs. As a server operator, snaps are at times genuinely useful. This sub betrays itself as being mostly hobbyists by not understanding that flatpaks only work for GUI apps.
flatpak runwould like a word with you. You can easily just alias to that.
You can’t run your own snap repo. That goes against the entire point of openness.
I think most of the complaints are about some choices Canonical (the stewards of Ubuntu) have made in the last few years. Most notably recently is the change from gnu coreutils to the rust uutils coreutils rewrite.
Mint is based on Ubuntu LTS (long-term support) releases, unless you go with LMDE which is based on Debian. There is not a major technical difference but there are political differences between the projects.
The main reason to go with Mint instead of Ubuntu is if you prefer Cinnamon over GNOME as I do, and want a distribution built around the Cinnamon desktop environment.
ubuntu makes controversial choices. Mint is explicitly user friendly, and its debian edition is like a bike with training wheels, getting you debian with extra “niceties”.
LMDE (Linux mint debian edition) is, from my POV, the gold standard for noob distros. Ubuntu is explicitly like a tricycle but LMDE is like a bike with training wheels. You can eventually take them off for debian next time you change OS with less problems, if you want. I don’t think going from LMDE + Cinnamon to Debian + KDE shouldn’t be an issue.
If it comes with Ubuntu and you like it, stick with it. At least give it a try. Everyone can tell you why they dislike it, but most distro hate/discussion is pretty minor compared to like Windows versus Linux discussion lol.
Normally I would say that you should pick the one YOU like. Because everyone has their own favorite. But in the case of Ubuntu, I would say you should go with any other distro. Ubuntu is becoming the Windows of the Linux community.
Fedora 😀 But seriously… Just install one and if you don’t like it, install the other, it’s free, it’s easy and you will never go back 😊
I disagree, semi. I started with mint but wanted to try fedora recently. With windows i had stuff set up that i needed minimal configurations on os switches, and that data splitting helped a bit when switching to linux.
But to switch from one distro to another needs prep work if you want to keep data and configs with minimal set ups.
So far ive been refactoring my mint slow but steady to have my home and /opt on partitions and i might need to do more since there is stuff in /var i might need too.I meant that if a week passes and he doesn’t like it it’s easy to switch. Otherwise it’s always somewhat harder to switch once you are nicely settled. I always keep a step by step what I do after fresh install and I try to keep as many (important) files on my nas as possible. I never liked the shenanigans of keeping my home. First, it means you keep a lots of garbage and I kinda like starting fresh. Second, it’s way too much work. I usually just copy full home to external drive, reinstall and copy stuff back when I need it. This way I really keep from home only what I really need and the rest is ovewritten before next reinstall. That said, I have actually settled on Fedora like 4 years ago and since then reinstalled only once (again Fedora, I just wanted clean start).
Ye my biggest concern is keys, sdk configs, sdk programs, scripts, environment variables, vscodium configs, … I always take weeks to set all that shit up the way i like it haha.
But ye, im still checking out what i can drop and what i cant. Or maybe create scripts to config something to the way i like it ( like git )Yeah, had the same, but nowadays I have local dedicated VMs for each development project, to mitigate stuff like supply chain attack. The side effect is that it’s easier to just copy the VM to the new system. I am thinking though on creating ansible scripts for each use case to be able to “reset” the vm’s once in a while.
Fucking love Fedora, it’s my main squeeze.
But I have noticed something. If someone says “I love gnome” then they get the (playful) shit talkers, but if you say “I love Fedora” people are like “ah, an intellectual” haha
just use LMDE
have fun :)
Just a heads up, Mint is an Ubuntu system with their customization.
I like the Cinnamon edition, personally. I have a laptop running it, and it’s been a very smooth experience.
i am finally hoing to try Linux!
me too! i love linux and would absolutely hoe for it if i could! lol
i’ll recompile your kernel for a handjob… lmao
Wait, you’re telling me there’s a way to get tech support AND I get to give handjobs?
What’ll you do for a blowjob, because gay up, I put Nancy Reagan to Shame with my throat game
you’re about 30 years too late to trade a blowjob for software development and what is up with this nancy reagan silliness?!!! lol
Nancy Reagan was the throat goat of Hollywood and DC, my man. Throat game was strong.
But are you saying I’m 30 years too late with you, or that the entire blowjob-for-computer-work economy has tragically collapsed in recent decades?
grindr outages prove how slutty republicans truly are and it’s not that this economy has tragically collapsed – it’s that money is less messy. lol
Ubuntu does some things people don’t like, but as a first distro I wouldn’t agree that those things matter much. Especially considering that it’s by far the most supported distro. Most Ubuntu support/info also applies to Ubuntu based distros, like pop os, which I also would recommend personally. Distro choice both matters and doesn’t, with the caveat that it mostly matters what it’s based on. Ubuntu based is going to give you all the easiest software support.
