cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/52828517
By: @DrawingDramatic1641
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1wi4yjh/literally_how_every_conversation_goes/
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/52828517
By: @DrawingDramatic1641
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1wi4yjh/literally_how_every_conversation_goes/
I love how when Tiananmen square gets brought up they either had to plead ignorance, which would mean the propaganda has successfully prevented them from learining about it, or they could just endorse the extrajudicial mass killing of protesters and then somehow present that as a sane viewpoint.
Wow, you are so fucking confused it is actually hilarious.
You read the entire thread in question and ylh immediately side with the American. Fucking LMAO.
Imagine the Jan 6 protesters staying during the insurrection when the US military comes in and then a subgroup of the 3%ers setting the military on fire because the US decided to send in the military unarmed and then the rest of the world calling the killings of these type of insurrectionists, extrajudicial mass killing of innocent protesters instead of rightful action against terrorists.
libs when june 4thers burn unarmed soldiers alive: the evil communists slaughtered a peaceful protest!
libs when jan 6thers aimlessly mill about after trespassing on government property: these dangerous terrorists were seconds away from installing trump as god-emperor!
This specific lib, somehow: No, I dont believe they were violent. My beliefs are beyond observable fact. It does not matter whether something happened, just that I believe it or not.
Okay so this is where we will obviously disagree, but I don’t believe those protesters were violent (the chinese ones not the fucking jan6thers - although look at those guys they stormed the capitol, assulted officers and they still all got a due process and all what a weird thing). Surely that’s becuase I have fallen for western propaganda but by that logic you have fallen for chinese propaganda, so discussion basically ends here.
Most were hence the relatively peaceful evacuation of the square itself. That being said there are plenty of images of soldiers in dire straights at the hands of the more violent elements. Here is an English language display of some of the images very NSFW CW:Dead bodies, Violence, Blood, Weapons.
Neat! Your beliefs dont matter in the face of observable facts though, and those quite clearly demonstrate the Chinese protesters were violent.
Either that, or they’ve actually bothered to learn about the event and you haven’t. You can just go look at the first-hand sources and make your own conclusions.
Or you can be a passive-agressive little twerp who cant handle the notion they might have been wrong about something, so instead of doing some simple research (if it can even be called that when all the sources are served up to you on a silver platter) you retreat to a little hugbox where your beliefs are never challenged and you are reinforced as being the cleverest little boy in all the land, I guess. Kinda pathetic though.
The “nonviolent protestors” were burning military members alive in their cars, lynching them, stabbing them. You’re so unbelievably stupid. Even Western sources clearly show that TSM was a failed color revolution started by capitalists.
Read a book and you won’t look so stupid.
Talk about propaganda working and then call the event an “extrajudicial mass killing”. Alright. Sounds like somebody blindly trusts capitalist propaganda.
Extrajudicial mass killing is accurate, it may lack nuance but it’s so accurate.
Okay so for one I didn’t say there was propaganda, I said did the user with the china flag pfp plead ignorance, it would have verified that they fell for some kind of propaganda - namely some campaign aimed at restricting knowledge about the incident.
Second, to say it was not an extrajudicial mass killing, you would have to believe one or more of the following:
The first two may be true (I don’t know if they are) but if so, then it’s probably not something you should support. The last one is not true, even the CCP doesn’t deny there were at least 200 dead.
I mean you can symphatize or not symphatize with the protesters’ cause, but there is not really a situation in which what happened to the unluckiest of them is acceptable. Sure if they break the law apprehend them and put them in front of a judge (this exact solution is what I hinted at by using the term “extrajudicial” btw). 200+ (but more like 0+) protesters dead on the spot is not really justifiable under any system.
I’m pretty sure lynching an army Choir and police officers; wildly firing guns, leading to several civilian casualties; attempting to affect regime-change at the behest of a foreign Intelligence Agency; and refusing any and all attempts at peaceful dispersal is quite illegal everywhere. Call me crazy, but I also think its pretty reasonable for such things to be illegal.
You’re so propagandised you can’t even correctly name the political party.
There was no “mass killing” because the term “mass killing” implies a wanton murder of defenseless civilians, which is not what happened. There were violent clashes between ARMED protesters and the Chinese military.
You can sympathise all you want, and there is plenty of actual critique to be made of the situation, but just because you sympathise with someone doesn’t mean you should suddenly present them as something they’re not. It weakens your case and does not aid in learning anything from a tragic event.
First of all thanks for the reading list, I will read it just to spite you (and certainly not becuase I was already this close to asking you for one already). Alternatively you may believe you are a reverse psychology mastermanipulator.
Initially the rest of this comment was a rant about how bad faith the comments of this community constantly are, but I realized this line will do just fine.
Happy you read. I would suggest you go through @Cowbee@lemmy.mls comment history for any questions you might have. He has gone through this discussion so many times almost anything you might want to ask about has already been answered at some point.
People treat you as you treat them. When you speak on a subject despite being clearly uneducated, and you speak as though you are an expert, then it is quite understandable that you get treated like the smug dumbass you are behaving like. This is common to almost all online (and IRL) communities. You probably just do not notice it because you rarely utter heterodox opinions without some actual academic foundation to do so.
People are especially likely to treat you poorly when you react as you do to pushback - that is to say with condescention, derision and a turning sophomoric attitude.