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Protest against the Omarchy/Omacom Foundation and the tech companies and executives funding far-right open source.
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I have no idea what I just read (since I know next to nothing about programming and linux) but then I read this:
“Believe in redemption, not permanent condemnation. People can be wrong and still be welcome back when they step away from harm. This is not about outrage or scolding, but rather attempting repair and healing for FOSS and the world.”
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“Believe in the redemption of middle aged nazis who know exactly what theyre doing gois , OK?! OK! Happy-Go-Lucky!”
I may be too charitable, but I imagine it has to do with how many people, such as colleagues we may have, can fall for this type of shit. We’re all able to be reactionary and give in to bs, some of us just have more knowledge and/or more empathy so we’re able to see through it much easier. So while DHH may not be redeemable, some dumbass on Twitter who defends DHH may still be redeemed, depending on the choices they make and how much harm they do or don’t do along the way.
ANY middle aged person should be able to understanf thst theyre supporting or spreading nazi bullshit.
Thats why we HAD to hang a couple propagandists during the Nuremburg Trials. If youre old enough to understand that youre supprting and spreading nazi bullshit? Youre old enough to recieve ALL the consequences of doing that.
I don’t disagree
I will continue never using it
I even ask myself if ignoring them and leaving them to the irrelevance they deserve would be a better move than giving them the free “advertising” and probably even boosting their ego.
I would agree if they did not have that much oil money backing them this kinda needs to be talked about imo
I’m right there with you. If anyone asks me about it, my response is “imagine that Arch Linux and OpenAI were going to have a child, but they were both doing too many drugs and alcohol, smoking 3 packs of camels per day each and lived near a garbage burning field in a Saharan country, Omarchy is the material resulting from that miscarriage”.
There’s just too many good Linux distros out there for me to even entertain the idea of ever giving that shit a chance.
“That sounds…dramatic! I may have to check it out, just for the train wreck!”
“Pre-configured Arch with agentic AI baked in.”
*with a CLAUDE.md
And I salute your action of inaction! 🫡
Nothing will stop them at this point. They’re our masters. The only thing that might make any difference is a general strike. We tried that. Most workers are too afraid.
People use Brave even though Peter Thiel is one of its main investors. People use Brave even though it was created by Brendan Eich, a homophobe and Trump supporter
The vast majority of people don’t know that or couldn’t care less about it, who’s behind it isn’t even a thing worthy of thought for many. It’s sad and sucks but it’s the truth.
Brendan Eich, a homophobe and Trump supporter
Even worse, the creator of JavaScript
</s>Even worse, he has ties to the Dark Enlightenment.
More interesting example: people use Firefox despite Google being main donator. I know it’s more complicated, but yeah, Mozilla wouldn’t survive otherwise.
I had the sense that the general consensus in the inner tech circles is that Brave is bad and Firefox is good.
Its the outer ring of the tech circles still privvy to Brave.
Nope, not everyone uses Brave
Yeah but is it a reason not to do anything? Some people don’t care, some are unaware. For the last ones we should keep pushing for making tech landscape a betted place for everyone
I clicked the first referenced article just out of curiosity, and the guy is like ‘The Brits are pissed because of the erosion of their national identity and that’s understandable’!
Dude. You’re talking about the biggest colonial empire in history…yet people like you actually love to complain about migrants and praise those who do the same…? Self-awareness of a rainworm.
I thought that distro was just AI Slop? People are actually using it?
Yes. Mostly people who are too lazy to install Arch and also want a preset hyprland config provided by the distro (instead of just taking one from github)
Dafuq? It takes like no time to install arch lol. Dotfiles I guess takes a bit but anybody could just AI Slop something if they wanted…
I think the best way to counter this is to fix Ubuntu. It has what it needs to work as an introductory distro. I don’t know what made Ubuntu so bloated and buggy but I bet it’s salvageable. I’m not saying Ubuntu was ever the greatest but it was one of the first distro to be simple to use.
When I first came over from windows in 2013 Ubuntu detected all of my hardware and would install drivers by clicking a button. That seems like not a big deal now but then it felt like a miracle, it gave me a chance to learn about Linux while it was also functional.
If omarchy takes that new user crowd it might actually be a problem. Omarchy might fail if they don’t keep stealing from Arch development.
Maybe I’m out of touch because I have no idea what new linux users go to today. Steamos? What are the usual hurdles that new users face in 2026?
if Ubuntu can finally ditch the snaps and just use flatpak, we could recommend it again.
I think the main problem of Ubuntu is GNOME. After version 2 it became useless, like a kid’s toy.
While I personally can’t stand GNOME these days, it’s not the problem here. It’s Canonical’s desire for Snaps, a notoriously less standardized (and mature) packaging format, to be used for literally everything in Ubuntu; they’re aiming for system components to use it in the nebulous ‘future’.
Totally agree. Snap is scary!
Fedora is the introductory distro now.
I forgot about fedora. It runs really well. I forget that’s what I would use if Arch wasn’t around. I actually loved slackware, I just need them to update their kernel more than once a decade. When I was running old hardware it was fun. I don’t know why it’s so satisfying. I think it just feels like home…
Snaps ruined Ubuntu.
Good to know what to omit, also:
Use and fund open alternatives to the boycotted tools: Bitwarden instead of 1Password, Nextcloud or Co-op Cloud instead of Dropbox or AWS, WooCommerce or Openfront instead of Shopify, Signal, Matrix, XMPP, or Delta Chat instead of Slack. Sourcehut, Gitea, or Forgejo instead of GitHub.
I bet here’s a typo, because I can’t believe Matrix is also bad
“signal, matrix, xmpp, or delta” instead of slack
Astonishing that Free and Open Source Software with little to no employees cannot compete exactly 1:1 with a VC funded company with a hundred full-time employees.
edit: 2.545 employees as of 2021. I even have to wonder how do they need so many, what for?
I was responding to the poster’s suggestion that there was a typo, I think there isn’t but it’s just a bit hard to read, and all those I quoted are in the “better options” column.
Not gonna lie, the whole text confused me at first
Bitwarden instead of “1Password”,
Nextcloud or Co-op Cloud instead of “Dropbox or AWS”,
WooCommerce or Openfront instead of Shopify,
Signal, Matrix, XMPP, or Delta Chat instead of Slack.
Sourcehut, Gitea, or Forgejo instead of GitHub.
I don’t know why they didn’t use the dots, but it doesn’t really matter, the message is almost clear after all
Both the Omarchy shilling and these attempts at smearing a lot of people with the least charitable interpretation possible of their words and actions feel incredibly artificial, so I’m going to do what is best for me and ignore both.
I am all on board with letting people know when open source is a bit too aligned with major companies or is somehow compromised.
I have no intent or need to use Omarchy.
This sites list of YouTubers to shun however is a bit too “purity test” for me. The reasons listed are, let’s say extremely tepid in many cases.
I’ve never heard Jeff Geerling talk about any issue other than homelab stuff like hardware pricing and availability. His religious and personal views were not apparent to me at all.
I watched the Louis Rossmann video mentioned with the CO State Rep, and Louis was respectful and platformed this individuals commentary on the subject of privacy issues for a long time in the video. Generally Rossmann seems to criticize the living hell out of politicians left, right, and center.
I guess all I am saying is… Use whatever products you do or don’t want to for your own reasons but, I disagree with the concept that I should brigade specific creators because they support Open Source but not 100% of my particular basket of other issues. We need Open Source to grow and need to reach out to diverse groups who can find value in it.
I will continue to listen to both Craft Computing Jeff (as far left as it is possible to be on social and gender issues) and Jeff Geerling (who is apparently conservative on these same issues) because I’m listening to them talk about homelab stuff, not telling me who to vote for etc.
Omarchy isn’t even good. It shouldn’t even be called a distro, it does nothing new. It’s basically a script installer for arch
Sure, and Ubuntu is just a script installer for the kernel. Dear lord, is it a requirement to be so insufferable and asocial when you use Linux? My work PC is Linux, I hope I manage to not succumb to the incredible urge to lack any and all empathy, assume my way of using a product is the only correct way, and pretending that fiddling for hours with your system is a sane thing for everyone to want.
Sadly, this whole scheme has been resumed into “Don’t use Omarchy because they are nazis!” – “Oh? And where you got that idea from?” – “B-b-because It’s what they are!”. It’s nothing else than a shit-flinging contest, with no logical/coherent reasoning other than typical emotional/impulse-driven reactions for the sake of “feeling included”.
Also, it’s sad to see at how this community went downhill fast because of politics, and on how the mods shrug at these posts – we are, indeed… reddit now.
Yikes. So much yikes. I’ll be a bit more invested now in deplatforming. I just thought the vibes were off in his NetworkChuck promotion.
This goes beyond that.
Did you even look at the evidence people always provide when talking about DHH? Or are you saying advocating for ethnic cleansing isn’t nazi? Ime people love to pretend that leftists are just making shit up when most of the time we show the receipts, which are even in the link in the original post here.
blah blah blah I don’t like politics
It’s 2026 and there still ate bozos feign to be apolitical. Incredible. Literally, because the same phenomenon is happening for example among farmers who voted Republican and had their faces eaten.
Also
mods shrug at these posts
You’re on lemmy.ML How clueless you are?
child didnt even look at ANY of the evidence . AND THEN when they want to criticize the evidence presented , doesnt link ANY counter evidence .
ENLIGHTENED CENTRISM©®™ strikes again. BOTH sides are evil Mmmkay!? Mmmmkay! Ignorance Is Bliss©®™
No idea why you’re negative on the votes, the centrism reeks of deceit.
At this point, Every time I hear someone say something about Reddit it’s in the same breath as something hate-crime-y or something smallminded like complaining of politics in their hobby.
Like, “Bitch, please… Reddit is just a room of people, our communities are what we make of them, if you’re complaining about the room then you’re either in the wrong room or you’re actively trying to make discourse worse.”
I’m in here for a chance at descentalized community, and for salon, but I keep bumping into these side-shaved specimen masquerading as techies, trying to make space for the loudest white supremacists in any scene. It’s fucking exhausting.
The most privileged response I’ve ever read. Good for you for having no one in your inner circle that is affected by fascism but it really sucks for the rest of us.
You’re listing some liberal identitarians as leftists here… 🤦♂️
Literally don’t care what they are. Not relevant to their FOSS or general technology content.
“If 9 people sit down at a table with 1 Nazi without protest, there are 10 Nazis at the table.”
“Congrats”, I guess. 🤦♂️ Is it comfortable there? 🙄 Technology isn’t apolitical: atomic bombs weren’t, AI isn’t, and centainky it’s the same for that pos.
There’s still a difference between someone who holds regressive views privately and someone advocating for ethnic cleansing.
First case I can just stop engaging with them, the other we need to push back publicly
I think boycotting omarchy itself (easy to do) is a lot more effective than boycotting everything else.
Let these companies see their money go to waste because no one cares.
Neocities? I thought that was dead
As the other comment explained already, you was thinking of Geocities. I actually recently put Neocities to my list of web hosters, in case I want to do something with it. Seems quiet nice and is a homage to Geocities.
You might be thinking about Geocities, it died in 2009. Neocities was inspired by Geocities but is a separate project launched in 2013.
Ah, that explains it
Snake Plisskin? I heard you were dead.
I rewatched Escape from New York half a year back and oh boy does it still hold up.
I watched Escape from New York just a few years ago for the first time (ok its probably 5 years ago). And I had a blast, film really holds up. I don’t know why I didn’t watched it before, given that I’m an 80s kid and watched all the 80s and 90s films, and I am a huge fan (of the first) Metal Gear Solid. For any reader who don’t know why MGS this is relevant: Kojima was inspired by this film when creating the Metal Gear series. The main character even is named Snake.
Big Boss using an eyepatch is no coincidence hehe
Little off topic now, but can’t wait how his next project Physint will be. Its said to be an espionage game again, and the teaser art looks suspicious so far.
In their words they are open source, donation funded, zero advertising, zero ai data selling place to create free websites. A “social network of 1,751,700 web sites that are bringing back the lost individual creativity of the web. We offer free static web hosting and tools that allow you to create your own web site.”
its fascinating to see libs cancelling people on basis of culture war… I also wanna cancel people on basis of class war
This is a two for one deal then
They passed a bunch on to Hyprland. Fuck all these transphobes and other bigoted right-wing assholes.
Actually, no. Fuck someone nice. Or don’t; I’m not your mother.
Maybe you are 🫣 Jk, I do think hyprland is a nice WM. But man… The drama around it.
I mean, if you wa—oh, you were kidding. You could try some of the forks of sway. I’ve heard swayfx is pretty good.
It is always easy to judge, especially when using a software that was mainly developed by tankies. Can’t always win.
“Judge”? My brother free/libre software, they’re the ones who want me to not exist. I do not wish an ill fate upon them; however, I cannot tolerate intolerance.
Also, if they were vocally hateful against any other marginalised community, it would be totally unacceptable to the vast majority of Linux users.
Oh, there is no question about how evil Hyprland devs are. Don’t forget that tankies are pro-Russia and pro-Russia is anti-trans. Same shit, different boat.
I don’t even understand these “tankies” as they’re called. I thought they were Communists, but if they support a Capitalist country (Russia), then they’re not very Communist, are they?
And that’s where things start to get interesting. Wait until you learn that Stalin/Lenin weren’t really communists, came to power in a non-democratic way, which is basically something only right-wing does. And yeah, tankies are not really the smartest breed. Same category as rednecks. Too much lead was in the water when they grew up.
I’m well aware of all the fake Communists out there. I hate them so fucking much.
I do object to those last two statements, though. They’ve been intentionally miseducated and indoctrinated by the government; cultivated to not think critically, to question nothing, and support whatever they’re told—basically, they’re brainwashed.
P.S. btw, why is your username “antianarchist”?
As form of a protest to the so called Fediverse Anarchist Flotilla, consisting of a few instances who are maintained by tankies, and not by anarchists as you would expect. I guess they’re the same category as those you call fake Communists.
I agree with what you said about the conservative US citizens. They are deliberately shaped by the current and former governments, since basically Reagan was dismantling the confederation.
Lenin and Stalin were both communists. Both Lenin and Stalin were supported democratically as well. Trying to dismiss communists by claiming we are all brain damaged is deeply ableist.
Ah, another tankie, sure buddy :)
Communists that support Russia have critical support, which means we support some of what they do, such as supporting Cuba during a genocidal blockade, but we still have valid criticisms. You won’t see any of us claim Russia is morally good or some nonsense.
Communists don’t judge countries based on their perceived moral character. Russia, like all countries, acts in the interest of its own ruling class. Right now the interest of their ruling class is aligned with anti-imperialist forces. We understand that imperialism is the primary contradiction, and that as long as we live under a unipolar world order the global majority will only get poorer and more exploited, that climate change will inevitably kill most of us and that those who survive will be tied to the same exploitative forces.
The only reason why some of us come across as “pro-Russia” is because we’re often debunking imperialist propaganda. As long as people are willing to read beyond wikipedia or a genocide-denying newspaper, we’re fine discussing events with a lot more nuance than we get credit for. But it’s a lot easier to pretend we’re crazy Putin-loving tankies, so that’s what you see here.
Russia is only critically supported by communists for its objective material opposition to the current imperialist hegemony by the US. The idea that communists can only support communists is a bit reductive, communists support the international working classes and their liberation. This means supporting elements that weaken the primary world contradiction right now, US imperialism. Obviously communists would prefer Russia turn socialist, but that does not change that it is still playing a progressive role in undermining the US.
It’s almost like you have to judge software based on its utility rather than the political wisdom of the developer.
Okay then. Hyprland is not performant, and it’s over-complicated. Simpler WMs are my preference, and so, I shall use Sway.
I’m sure that’s your sincere opinion, but even if it’s not, at least it’s coherent.
I just made the switch from Hyprland to Mango today, and it has everything Hyprland had and more, and no transphobia that I know of!
There will be a day when I finally learn to code properly and fork the fuck out of X. I’ll name it
antifaX.Or not, because it sounds… what’s the opposite of sex positive? 🥵
I kinda want to fork Linux and make it AI-free and Rust-free. Wanna help? /hj
I’d be all over that if I had anything to contribute with, but at the moment, I’m still learning the very basics of C and I’m in the middle of some other projects… 😅 Don’t let my preoccupation kill your enthusiasm though!!! 🙏💞
Anecdote time
I recently inherited a Commodore 64 from my dad. It’s from the 80’s. While all I could do with it was- type text and see it displayed
- load some games from cassette tapes
It was extremely refreshing to see that literally nothing was going on in the system other that what I saw on the screen.
Eh, it’s probably not a realistically managable project. I might actually have more luck forking the NetBSD kernel to use compat_linux by default, which would achieve decent compatibility with the Linux ABI.
re: Anecdote Time
That’s so cool! Yeah, it’s pretty neat seeing or using a really simple system like that. Smaller or older computers tend to be a lot easier to understand, too, in my opinion.
Yeah, don’t use Omarchy, not sure why anyone would need to since there are versions with more stable support and a myriad of other free options for every niche. The site lists many great reasons not to use it, that is appreciated.
I don’t use Cloudflare but I’ll say that’s probably the hardest service for people to leave because it’s been the easiest to set up and forget.
Now my one gripe. The People to Avoid category is a weird omelette that put together multiple lists of people and brands them all as fascists to avoid. It’s a set of massive purity test retcons that are not productive because it mixes overt bigots (Yarvin) and Silicon Valley grifters (Dorsey) with people that are living foundations of open source who are accused of odd behaviour.
Is rms going around harassing women? Cuz the last talk I watched of him he was battling cancer. (I have read the Stallman Report, but as far as I interpret it he is just trying to make sense of normally taboo topics by writing it out, even if the way he writes it out people feel harmed or creeped out about it because it doesn’t match today’s accepted norms.) I wouldn’t ask him for dating advice but I wouldn’t hesitate to ask him for computer advice. Louis Rossman has an opinion that I believe is wrong, but not one he holds strongly enough that he would discriminate or disrespect a customer over it or let it interfere with the goals of owning goods you buy.
Yes, question the questionable parts, but to avoid them altogether is excessive IMHO, each should be taken case-by-case.
Everyone, without exception, is flawed in certain ways. While there are people that make their flaws their whole identity, which you should avoid, for those who don’t, you have accept to a certain degree to achieve solidarity and accomplish things bigger than themselves. That degree doesn’t have to be charitable as me, but my opinion is that lists that make it seem all equally bad is disingenuous.
If those individuals want to distance themselves from a Nazi movement, they can do so. They can put out statements clarifying their association. RMS battling cancer is an extreme case.
Right in the paraphrased quote declaring Rossman a transphobe he doesn’t care enough to be trans-exclusive, in fact I’d argue the main point is that the culture war is stupid and unproductive, he’d prefer to be inclusive because it’s irrelevant, that seems like clarification to me and it’s the author muddying the waters up with the bad paraphrasing. His organization FUTO is funded by someone who is a loose acquaintance of a fascist supporter. I know almost exactly how Rossman picked up some chud-like opinions, it’s because he got bullied and screwed over so hard in New York, not from any other relationship. No evidence has been presented that he has anything to do with Omarchy, MAGA, or right-wing fascist movement, including that comment.
I want people not to confuse some latent opinions with a lack of integrity.
The full comment for context
I have my own idea of what a man or a woman is that I am going to guess is different from the politician in question. That being said, bringing this shit up all the time is absolutely counterproductive and useless. Especially when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Imagine if I was talking to a politician who weighed 400 pounds and agreed with me on an issue that mattered. And let’s say that person did not like being referred to as fat because they do not think they are overweight. Would it be incumbent upon me to point out that they are fat? What benefit does that do for me? If this person is trying to help me not get screwed over by companies that lie and cheat to get laws passed in their favor so they can rob us blind, it’s not really important in that moment that I point out that that person is in fact obese. What their personal belief of “obesity” is is a useless discussion that has nothing to do with my own actions and identity.
What people choose to do in their own homes or what they choose to call themselves is their business and is not something I care to discuss.
What matters more than that to me is what people tell me I am not allowed to do in my own home with the products that I bought and paid for. That is an issue that is much more important to me.
Rossmann has worked with FUTO, but his organization is FULU Foundation.
Thanks for the correction. Is this right now? I want to represent it as faithfully as possible.
His organization FULU is funded by an organization called FUTO led by someone who is a loose acquaintance of a fascist supporter
I’ve been to a few conferences and talks where Stallman was in the audience.
He often spoke up and asked why things weren’t free open software, even after one was explained how it would be a non-profit educational web service.
He wasn’t wrong, but he was often a dick about it.
He also rarely had shoes on, just socks. At least around the MIT campus in those days.
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No no no, you don’t get it.
Everyone to my right that I don’t like is a Nazi.
Everyone to my left that I don’t like is an ultra.
People around the same political position that I don’t like are all trots.
If you disagree with me you’re gas lighting.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Everyone to my right that I don’t like is a Nazi.
No, nazis are nazis. If you argue for ethnic cleansing the bare minimum you can expect is some pushback, no one owes your opinions any respect as a baseline.
