• sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    22 hours ago

    Im sorry no, fuck these fucking brain dead morons.

    I have less than 0 desire to learn their idiot vernacular to try to convince them of anything.

    Just ask them to do a simple algebra problem in their head, and then spell the word procrastinate.

    If they cannot do that, just tell them they are too stupid to make decisions, sit down, shut the fuck up, we’re gonna do this other thing now, and it doesn’t matter if you’re too dumb to understand what that means.

    … how many of them are closeted gays and cucks?

    They want to be dominated, so just dominate them. They only understand and respect force, so be forceful.

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      12 hours ago

      how many of them are closeted gays and cucks?

      Yes, yes, we know, queer people are responsible for our own oppression. There definitely aren’t any straight homophobes.

      • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        12 hours ago

        It’s not because we stopped talking to MAGA. Rather, we keep losing partially because our establishment Democrats haven’t gotten the memo abput the Republican party ceasing to engage the two-party democratic system in goid faith, rather are trying to dismantle it from within.

        There’s no compromising with a literal fascist takeover.

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        15 hours ago

        Pushing the benefits of something and focusing on the benefits that the target audience actually care about is usually a good way to get them on board with your idea.

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          13 hours ago

          Or you can just tell the primarily fear motivated idiots to be afraid of things, and then their brains stop working, they just don’t like the scary thing and want scary thing to suffer because scary thing is bad.

          You can’t win an argument with an idiot; they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

          Remember the whole… they go low, we go high, rhetoric?

          Assanine. Literally an in-group signalling feel good hugbox measure, doesn’t actually work at all on the out group. Vanity and smugness as a strategy, a strategy that repeatedly fails in a political system that is rigged to over represent the local yokel ya’ll qaeda types, and is rigged to disenfranchise the working poor and minority groups of all kinds.

          You think that you’re playing an unrigged game, for some reason, maybe because thats a comforting thing to hold onto, that democracy is inevitable and rules and norms are just and eternal, because they seem nice and fair to you.

          Well guess what?

          We got 1/3 of the country that effectively gets 1/2 the voting power.

          The game isn’t fair, the rules are always changing, and this 1/3 of people would and literally has willingly voted to destroy democracy itself and replace it with tyranny.

          You gotta change the rules you are willing to play by… if the real game is how you rig the apparent game, you need to think outside your comfort zone, or just admit defeat right now.

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            5 hours ago

            That is nice and all but I don’t live in America. The same/similar arguments are not US specific.

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        Because you keep conceeding to idiot racists and petty narcissist tyrants who don’t even believe in democracy whom you will never be able to meaningfully convince of anything anyway.

        I’m from these dumb fuck regressives.

        I know what I’m talking about.

        You speak to them with insults, violence and threats, just barely polite enough to not immediately incite them to assault you on the spot, otherwise, they do not listen.

        We keep losing because the 1/3rd of this country that the entire political system is rigged to over represent will always default to being dumbfuck greedy idiots.

        You can’t convince them of anything consciously because they are the world grand masters at cognitive dissonance and delusion. They are too stupid to formulate a coherent worldview, you will not be able to change their worldview without making their lizard brain activate.

        You can spend 10x the effort of explaining things to them like theyre a baby, it’ll stick for a day, then they’ll hear a shiboleth style conservative ‘joke’, a cultic thought stopping cliche, and that understanding you imparted them with immediately evaporates.

        I repeat, they are literally too stupid to actually have a coherent worldview.

        The Republicans know this.

        Its why they consistently do racist/socialist/lqbtq scaremongering, and it consistently works.

        They literally have enlarged amygdalas, the fear processing center of the brain.

        They literally only truly understand fear.

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          19 hours ago

          I want to disagree with this but I can’t. Conservatives genuinely react so well to being bullied and talked down to. It’s apparently what they want 🤷

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            Trust me I wish I was wrong.

            Tried for 2 decades to do the reasoning thing.

            It doesn’t matter, it doesn’t work.

            They don’t argue in good faith, because most of them literally are not capable of arguing in good faith.

            You make them your bitch, and force or trick them to realize your way is better for both you and them.

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              18 hours ago

              Yeah…it’s sad but if you want results, you have to play the “who has the bigger peepee” game.

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                13 hours ago

                Yep, its pretty much that stupid.

                But… if its stupid… and it works…

                … it isn’t stupid.

                Playing chess with a pigeon and getting mad that it isn’t playing by the rules and then flaps over the pieces?

                You’re the fool.

                Just get some bird seed and also a broom, apply positive and negative reinforcement toward the desired result.

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          19 hours ago

          You can dislike them all you want but, like it or not, they get to vote the same as you. You can choose to be angry or you can meet them where they’re at and have a chance to inspire the change you want to see. Your choice

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            18 hours ago

            I’ll meet them where they’re at and tell them they’re a fucking moron.

            I also don’t get to vote, because of them, so maybe stop pretending this is a fair fight.

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          19 hours ago

          There’s a difference between capitulation and talking to them using language they understand.

          I’m as ready to go nuclear as you are, but until most others see it that way, this is where we’re at.

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            19 hours ago

            Most others do see it this way.

            They just got you convinced you’re outnumbered.

            You’re not.

            They just own the media, the social media, and only ever get better and better at determining who does and doesn’t get to vote.

            No point in conceeding shit to bullies, they’ll just keep bullying you.

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        19 hours ago

        You got the life experience of a 12 yo if you think being reasonable to a diehard conservative will have any effect on them other than making them internally chuckle that you’re trying to take them seriously, in good faith.

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          18 hours ago

          And you think posturing as a steamroller is going to be any better? People will hand wave you away if all you’ve got is aggression. You’re full of hot air and all that does is delegitimize you in a debate.

          You’re not entirely wrong, you’re just an asshole about it. Even if I agreed with you fully I’d still want to avoid you.

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            13 hours ago

            You fundamentally don’t get it.

            Being an asshole about it is the tactic that works.

            You’d want to avoid me just like you’d want to avoid the assholes this would work on, because you’re not like them, and you don’t like them.

            You can’t reason with everyone. That tactic, reasoning, doesn’t work on or with everyone. Some people just do need to be rhetorically slapped around, all pathos and ethos, because logos has no real effect on them.

            People like you would hand wave away a brash boistrous blustering bloviation of bullshit.

            People like them, that’s the real language that speaks to them, the only thing that makes an impact on not their conscious thoughts, but their subconscious that gives rise to those conscious thoughts.

            Stop acting as if everyone else is like you.

            The whole point here is what tactic convinces people that are not like you and cannot be convinced by reason? That that tactic wouldn’t work on you is irrelevant. Get over yourself.