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  • Fluke@feddit.uk
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    5 hours ago

    Spoken like someone who’s never truly known desperation or genuine hunger. ie. One of the bourgeoisie who’d be first against the wall.

    • Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml
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      2 hours ago

      If you can join the most expensive military in the world, you are not nearly as desperate as, for example, people who survive in NATO without that.
      Also nowhere near as desperate as the people whose countries NATO keeps invading.

      • Fluke@feddit.uk
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        4 hours ago

        No, I’m pointing out the hypocrisy in you pretending to know what it is to be desperate, that you can judge others in such a position.

        I ain’t justifying diddly squat.

          • Fluke@feddit.uk
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            2 hours ago

            I would say none, but the closest to desperation I’ve personally been was scrounging for coal that fell off the train to the docks when we as a family couldn’t afford to buy it. (No coal, no heat, no hot water, etc.)

            I can imagine though, that watching my own children cry from the cold and hunger. Watching my own flesh and blood get thinner and weaker and being otherwise powerless to help them might make me consider rather strongly the paycheck offered by anyone at all.

            That you apparently can’t imagine any scenario that would give you personally (and therefore by extension anyone else), cause to consider doing heinous things for money is bizarre.

            • geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml
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              1 hour ago

              Great. Awesome. Now how many of these fictional scenario’s apply to actual US soldiers? You’re imagining all kinds of fictional scenario’s in your head to excuse these people which are actually mostly just middle-class people for becoming career child-murderers because becoming a paid child murderer means you’re actually oppressed somehow.

        • Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml
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          3 hours ago

          I had the option to join the military and chose homelessness. It’s actually really easy to do the right thing even when you’re desperate.

          • Fluke@feddit.uk
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            2 hours ago

            Would that choice have been as easy if you had your own children to consider? Would it have been so easy to make your own children and spouse homeless too?

            The point is everyone is susceptible given the right circumstances. The system is literally designed to create desperation, and to keep ratcheting that up until people relent.

            By all means try and convince people not to give in. Support them and help them, try to ensure they don’t reach their breaking point. But don’t try and pretend that desperation to escape their given shitshow isn’t what drives a lot of recruitment.

            Edit: I do deeply respect your strength of conviction in your own choices though, and I want to make that clear. You are an exceptional example, and one to be lauded. 💛