Which is what you describe, is once again based on Marxism-Leninism (some would want to shove a little dong after another hyphen, but it still remains the same shit regardless), and can go rot in hell.
The core problem with communism is humanity itself, it goes directly against the human nature. There is a 0% possibility of it working with humans.
The theory may sound appealing, but in the end its less sustainable than any other political system. One will always take advantage of the obvious flaws in the system.
I couldn’t disagree more, I see human nature as something more nurtured than innate, and traces of healed wounds on bones found on archaeological sites rather demonstrate that caring for the weak, the community, prevailed over selfishness. Let’s pretend it is as you say: even then, our nature isn’t something immutable, else, males would still drag their female to the cave by the hair whenever they want to mate, and it would be seen as socially acceptable. This can change through time and conscious efforts (even negatively, and it won’t surprise you if I say that it’s how I see our current individualism and glorification of power-mongering).
Personally, I don’t see a forceful change as viable; it should be done slowly and steadily while ensuring that outside forces don’t hinder the movement, or distort it to their own benefit. But first, we should throw away this warped crap that is Marxism-Leninism once and for all, draw the useful conclusions from its failures, and adapt the movement accordingly; evolving is after all supposed to be one of communism’s core components (just like humans, dare I say).
Your points make little sense regarding human nature.
In a world of houndeds saving one is a necessary thing for the groups survival.
In a world of Billions, you just replace a lost one with the next, just like we replace broken parts in a Mashine, its a unfortunate truth that everyone is replaceable now, even if we hypothetically clean a entire country out of existence, it would barely impact the rest of humanity, shure it would be in the news a few days, but after that… I doubt you feel actually sorry when hearing or even seeing death to strangers, same with misery, you might think about it for a few weeks, but it goes away and your life goes on. Thats why communism is absolutely impossible.
What is possible is a social market economy, wich is a democratic system but with limitations on capitalistic problems to ensure that even the lowest of society aren’t treated like human garbage. But even that is hard to implement in places like China or USA.
There is no perfection, especially in Politics, there will always be pros and cons to everything.
The Way we chose and will choose will always be paved with corpses and misery. It will never change unless we change the human itself.
Your points make little sense regarding human nature.
I kindly throw that ball back at you. To humor your vision of an immutable nature, it urges us more to run naked in the woods among our close relatives than to form planet-scale social structures. But again, I’ll pretend it’s how things are (accounting for the whole comment, not just the quoted part): the answer appears as evident as reducing the scale of our social structures, and work towards degrowth; and hey, it just so happens to be the form of communism I’m advocating for! 😛
I doubt you feel actually sorry when hearing or even seeing death to strangers
Just wanted to specifically touch on that: first, I find it detrimental to a sane analysis to assume our own vision of things as the norm, you’d be better of if able to detach yourself further, but you do you.
And second, do you need a strong emotional response to something in order to care about it? Having been emotionally numb for as long as I can remember, it’s something I genuinely can’t understand. Seeing things through an analytical lens as well as my values is enough, I don’t need to feel outraged by something to keep in mind at long term that it should be addressed: envisioning a feminicide, a school-shooting, or a mining accident as the result of (to grossly and simplistically summarize) a lack of education, lack of proper mental care, or lacking/exploitative policies, and acting accordingly at my level seems, to use the term once again, more sane.
I don’t question your good faith (in regard to your other comment). But I can’t point you to such a country, because unfortunately, all we’ve seen of communism at such a scale until now has been based on this Marxism-Leninism pile of crap (Stalinism, Maoism, and whatnot). That’s the unfortunate truth, and why the simple mention of communism makes people’s blood run cold. It’s a meme at this point to say “real communism hasn’t been attempted” but there’s a part of truth in that; only a specific current has been, and each time proved that said current is a pungent pile.
Since communism is a dialectic philosophy, we could think that ML would’ve been thrown to its rightful place, the trash bin, but alas, some people are too attached to following a dated and distorted dogma to actually respect the ever evolving imperative of the movement.
Every single one that isn’t more interested in installing a new bourgeoisie (so themselves) than giving power to the people. And most ironically, Marxism, since old beardo’s ideas have been practically more perverted by his own partisans than by his opposition…
Okay, what’s one of them, though? Can you point to a country that currently has this going on? I’m not trying to do a gotcha here, I’m genuinely curious.
It always leads to absolute authoritarian hellholes. It never not has done that.
Marxism-Leninism does, and invariably so. It’s not however the only existing current of communism.
What’s an existing current for. Of communism that hasn’t gone Auth or totalit?
None but the clown company doesn’t catch that or thinks China isn’t a authoritarian hellhole.
Which is what you describe, is once again based on Marxism-Leninism (some would want to shove a little dong after another hyphen, but it still remains the same shit regardless), and can go rot in hell.
The core problem with communism is humanity itself, it goes directly against the human nature. There is a 0% possibility of it working with humans.
The theory may sound appealing, but in the end its less sustainable than any other political system. One will always take advantage of the obvious flaws in the system.
I couldn’t disagree more, I see human nature as something more nurtured than innate, and traces of healed wounds on bones found on archaeological sites rather demonstrate that caring for the weak, the community, prevailed over selfishness. Let’s pretend it is as you say: even then, our nature isn’t something immutable, else, males would still drag their female to the cave by the hair whenever they want to mate, and it would be seen as socially acceptable. This can change through time and conscious efforts (even negatively, and it won’t surprise you if I say that it’s how I see our current individualism and glorification of power-mongering).
Personally, I don’t see a forceful change as viable; it should be done slowly and steadily while ensuring that outside forces don’t hinder the movement, or distort it to their own benefit. But first, we should throw away this warped crap that is Marxism-Leninism once and for all, draw the useful conclusions from its failures, and adapt the movement accordingly; evolving is after all supposed to be one of communism’s core components (just like humans, dare I say).
Your points make little sense regarding human nature.
In a world of houndeds saving one is a necessary thing for the groups survival.
In a world of Billions, you just replace a lost one with the next, just like we replace broken parts in a Mashine, its a unfortunate truth that everyone is replaceable now, even if we hypothetically clean a entire country out of existence, it would barely impact the rest of humanity, shure it would be in the news a few days, but after that… I doubt you feel actually sorry when hearing or even seeing death to strangers, same with misery, you might think about it for a few weeks, but it goes away and your life goes on. Thats why communism is absolutely impossible.
What is possible is a social market economy, wich is a democratic system but with limitations on capitalistic problems to ensure that even the lowest of society aren’t treated like human garbage. But even that is hard to implement in places like China or USA.
There is no perfection, especially in Politics, there will always be pros and cons to everything.
The Way we chose and will choose will always be paved with corpses and misery. It will never change unless we change the human itself.
I kindly throw that ball back at you. To humor your vision of an immutable nature, it urges us more to run naked in the woods among our close relatives than to form planet-scale social structures. But again, I’ll pretend it’s how things are (accounting for the whole comment, not just the quoted part): the answer appears as evident as reducing the scale of our social structures, and work towards degrowth; and hey, it just so happens to be the form of communism I’m advocating for! 😛
Just wanted to specifically touch on that: first, I find it detrimental to a sane analysis to assume our own vision of things as the norm, you’d be better of if able to detach yourself further, but you do you.
And second, do you need a strong emotional response to something in order to care about it? Having been emotionally numb for as long as I can remember, it’s something I genuinely can’t understand. Seeing things through an analytical lens as well as my values is enough, I don’t need to feel outraged by something to keep in mind at long term that it should be addressed: envisioning a feminicide, a school-shooting, or a mining accident as the result of (to grossly and simplistically summarize) a lack of education, lack of proper mental care, or lacking/exploitative policies, and acting accordingly at my level seems, to use the term once again, more sane.
Okay, so this is a case of communism not going the way you claim it is currently going in other places. So can you please name one of those places?
I don’t question your good faith (in regard to your other comment). But I can’t point you to such a country, because unfortunately, all we’ve seen of communism at such a scale until now has been based on this Marxism-Leninism pile of crap (Stalinism, Maoism, and whatnot). That’s the unfortunate truth, and why the simple mention of communism makes people’s blood run cold. It’s a meme at this point to say “real communism hasn’t been attempted” but there’s a part of truth in that; only a specific current has been, and each time proved that said current is a pungent pile.
Since communism is a dialectic philosophy, we could think that ML would’ve been thrown to its rightful place, the trash bin, but alas, some people are too attached to following a dated and distorted dogma to actually respect the ever evolving imperative of the movement.
Every single one that isn’t more interested in installing a new bourgeoisie (so themselves) than giving power to the people. And most ironically, Marxism, since old beardo’s ideas have been practically more perverted by his own partisans than by his opposition…
“Parents should never talk to their kids” ~ Marx
Care to point me to the source of this alleged quote?
Sure, might take a while tho, I used that in my Bachelor work
Take all the time you need, even if it’s in days from now; it’s not a chat, we’re in no hurry 😊
Okay, what’s one of them, though? Can you point to a country that currently has this going on? I’m not trying to do a gotcha here, I’m genuinely curious.