I thought Anthropic was heavily subsidizing their models but KimmyK is currently cheaper than Fable and is allegedly a pretty good deal. The only thing it’s missing is a comprehensive coding environment like Claude Code and the whole MCP and plugins ecosystem.
If Anthropic pulls Fable then a Chinese lab will be in front of them for the first time I can think of.
I don’t get this. How can Chinese models be so performant if they are spending a tiny fraction of US investment. If this difference in investment is down to research investment, then there is something I’m not getting? And, if Chinese models are open, how is it that they can keep ahead of US? Finally, if all this is true, the investors in US AI business is dangerous territory … i would be running away from that inflated investment. Of course i barely understand AI …
Partly, the Chinese are distilling closed source models, and OpenAI and Anthropic’s attempts to stop this have only succeeded in making their outputs less transparent. Partly, the actual frontier of AI is currently mostly vibes and marketing, as everyone’s cheated the tests so badly that the only way to stay in the running is to cheat. Partly, that weve passed the point where even an honest evaluator could say which general purpose model is better than another, since their performance fluxuates wildly from task to task.
Kimi K3 works through OpenCode/Pi. It just got added to OpenCode Go but it’s practically unusable due to the cost (but they might negotiate it down soon), right now you have to use it through OpenRouter or official API, or Kimi Code subscription
Kimi K3 looks insane but it’s also very expensive right now, hopefully that changes or I don’t see myself using it over the previous models
I thought Anthropic was heavily subsidizing their models but KimmyK is currently cheaper than Fable and is allegedly a pretty good deal. The only thing it’s missing is a comprehensive coding environment like Claude Code and the whole MCP and plugins ecosystem.
If Anthropic pulls Fable then a Chinese lab will be in front of them for the first time I can think of.
I don’t get this. How can Chinese models be so performant if they are spending a tiny fraction of US investment. If this difference in investment is down to research investment, then there is something I’m not getting? And, if Chinese models are open, how is it that they can keep ahead of US? Finally, if all this is true, the investors in US AI business is dangerous territory … i would be running away from that inflated investment. Of course i barely understand AI …
Partly, the Chinese are distilling closed source models, and OpenAI and Anthropic’s attempts to stop this have only succeeded in making their outputs less transparent. Partly, the actual frontier of AI is currently mostly vibes and marketing, as everyone’s cheated the tests so badly that the only way to stay in the running is to cheat. Partly, that weve passed the point where even an honest evaluator could say which general purpose model is better than another, since their performance fluxuates wildly from task to task.
Chinese schools do have reputation for being extremely difficult and China invests more in actual education.
Combine that with most US funding being a giant Ourobouros of AI companies funding eachother…
Kimi K3 works through OpenCode/Pi. It just got added to OpenCode Go but it’s practically unusable due to the cost (but they might negotiate it down soon), right now you have to use it through OpenRouter or official API, or Kimi Code subscription
I mean if it’s going against Anthropic pricing that’s steal a good deal.