Context
Right side (Steve Kirsch and Pierre Kory) are the antivaxxers.
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I assure you that “the greatest vaccine debate in history” is not happening in 2026.
Probably happened back in Jonas Salk’s time.
Or maybe back when George Washington decided to inoculate his troops from smallpox.
Which pair showed up with devices for notes or to provide or check sources says everything.
I’ve only seen clips but the guys on the right looked completely clueless.
I don’t remember much but it was either “they didn’t read their own citations” or they “didn’t prepare for the prompt”
I tried watching it and couldn’t finish because the anti vax were so fucking dumb that it wasn’t even entertaining. But yeah, first point of discussion the bottom right guy brings up one of his citations and when asked about the data he admits he didn’t read the data. Pro-vax side keeps asking them questions to try to lead them to their misunderstanding (connecting the dots) and the anti vax get upset that they’re being “quizzed” on their own citations
the anti vax get upset that they’re being “quizzed” on their own citations
In any other “examine the evidence” space this should be a self-exile in disgrace
You’re missing out honestly, it was absolutely amazing. They got probably the best people they could get for the scientific side.
And I think this is the clip you’re talking about:
https://youtu.be/T8T3pv9h5uQThis clip is also legendary. It was so awesome to see such a huge piece of shit get exposed directly to his face:
https://youtu.be/Jjdq1c6-MZoIt doesn’t matter how clueless the antivaxxers looked; they already won by getting a platform to debate in the first place. Their ideas do not deserve the respect of being on an equal stage with the scientific consensus.
I’ve been quite torn on this because that was what Dawkins did on the creationism vs evolution debate due to what others have told him. Like platforming these weirdoes exposes them to others and then their clips can get chopped up to sound like they’re smart if they get a good “gotcha”.
However, then they go on JRE or some other shit anyways and go into the ecosystem another way and it seems they’re seemingly unchallenged and they get to push the ridiculous narrative that “our ideas are so good that they won’t even face us”. It’s complete rubbish … but I just don’t know anymore.
they already won by getting a platform to debate in the first place
They certainly didn’t. The reason why we are in this position in the first place is that the scientific community has ignored these charlatans for so long. Science communicators like Professor Dave actively working to dismantle the talking points of these figures works to at least make it possible for science-minded people to be able to defend their ideas more easily, make it so that people unsure about these topics stop considering conspiratorial views, and just maybe make people deep in the conspiracy theory at least be unable to sleep at night thinking about what they’ve heard. This stuff does actually help people.
Their ideas do not deserve the respect of being on an equal stage with the scientific consensus.
Yes, that’s why they should get humiliated publicly in exchanges like this.
Idiots need to find out they are idiots.
Memetic viruses are real and the strongest vaccine is ridicule, but gentler variants like education exist. (citation needed)
