• алсааас [she/they]@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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    that’s not a left/right divide. it’s a right/further right divide. And even staunch conservatives follow (neo)liberal economics.

    This is a flow chart from a leftists/socialist perspective

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      This is a flow chart from a leftist/socialist perspective

      Then you have socialist governments wasting billions of the tax payer money to rescue shitty state owned companies. Look at Portugal with TAP and Efacec. Socialist party, billions of the tax payer money going down the drain. Those companies were partially or privately owned and the socialist party only rescued it to save these private owners investments.

      Liberal economics would actually be telling them to go fuck themselves and give no money to them.

      • алсааас [she/they]@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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        Socialism is defined as the working people either directly owning or democratically controlling the economy. I don’t see how that is the case in any “socialist” country at the moment (speaking of the nordic ones, Portugal, China etc)

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          Lmao you are literally the ‘but that’s not real socialism/communism’ meme right now 🤣

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            Imma bring up an example to maybe explain it easier. North Korea calls itself the “Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea”. In their official understanding/rhetoric they have a democracy in which the administration acts in the interest of the people instead of a few bureaucratic elites. In reality it’s the other way around. Now, if someone said “Look at what democracy does to a country!!11!”, would you not object?

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        This comment will not go down well here, this site leans left pretty heavily and it’s easy to upset them lol

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          While this is true, most left leaning people still know how economy works and why it should keep on working.

          Germany is considered heavily left leaning nowadays. Especially in comparison to countries like the US. But that doesn’t mean that Germans are suddenly borderline communist.

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            lol, who in their right mind considers germany as left leaning?

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                Probably, but considering Germany as a left-leaning country is still rich.

                It sounds more like your perception of Germany is a little displaced from reality.

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                  It for sure is not. Germany is a social democracy. One of the most advanced in Europe.

                  Therefore Germany is heavily left leaning.

                  I don’t know what you would call the left at this point… Communism?

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                    But the population and therefore our government which get voted from them is more conservative. And that’s not even calculating the swing to the right. And the established far right networks our executive like police, military and intelligent services doesn’t give a picture of a left leaning country. Germany had a good foundation, I give you that, but we have now decades of conservative governments who slowly undermined it.

                    So maybe left leaning if you compare it to an absolute monarchy, but if you differentiate and look closer, Germany is far from an left leaning country.

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                    In the name sure. In the party even are some left leaning politicians. But the body of it and our Bundeskanzler, are more centrist than left. The upholding of the status quo is more important for them than improving social situations and tackling leftist points like wealth inequality, so I personally wouldn’t call them left leaning