“Nazi ukrainian goverment” thats some deep russian propaganda rabbit hole you got there… Where are you from? I could bet you got more open nazi’s in parliment than Ukraine.
Ok, what does that prove? Any post-communist country has a massive problem with fascists/neonazis, but Ukraine has considerably less of them in parliment than any neighboring country. If I recall correctly none of the post-maidan far right parties got any places.
it doesn’t prove anything, I was making a joke that in the US a guy running for Senate had straight up Nazi tattoo on him, the problem isn’t limited to Eastern Europe.
in fact it seems like the nazism problem in Ukraine is more of a civil society problem, as in rather than getting state crackdowns on speech, if you say the wrong thing you might get a group of patriots showing up at your door to teach you a lesson.
I post things in English because the audience here speaks that.
The thing with your source is that 98% of state communist in the region are Russian sympathizers and as such legitimate targets in war conditions. They will be oppressed for siding with enemy
Oh, k ddnt notice you’re a Russian (native?) speaker. So, wanna tell about the Russian civil society and it’s situation?
My personal opinion was shaped by being held at gunpoint by FSB and internal border guards on one hand and activist who had to run abroad for their lives, or the ones who did not like Baburova and Markelov on the other, but I’m sure you have a better insight. Like it can’t all be state sanctioned neonazi attacks on environmentalist camps, surly there’s a lot going on beyond that? I’m not asking about the part in favour in government/spec mil op. I’m asking how is the opposition treated and how that fares against the mentioned Ukrainian experience.
Oh that sounds very different from most western democracies or… literally any place on earth? Where is this not a problem?
And for Ukraine in particular - I have antifa comrades there, I know the situation from real people, not some youtube account this what my perspective is based on. But it is well know how bad it is since years, you can easily find reportage with antifa automatic rifle training, or documented case of a (Russian) neonazi tripping over a grenade while jogging. OFC it’s bad. But not worse than Russia or some western states. It is less of a fascist regime than both Russia or US. Far less antifa or migrant casualties then Russia for sure. And yet here you are explaining to people from the region from things look… based on your extensive youtube searches in English.
The thing with your source is that 98% of state communist in the region are Russian sympathizers and as such legitimate targets in war conditions. They will be oppressed for siding with enemy, just as nazi sympathizers were stigmatized or executed in my country during WW2.
Unless you are anti-antifa id be interested how you argument that there was advocating for war crimes and not stating that is happening and why, and what the given justification is. Context was mobs acting against individuals, not millitary.
But of course the given reason is BS. Another deleted comment simply stated antifascism is incompatible with authoritarianism, and you people find that offensive… Also few comments away you have a guy blatantly denying a broadly accepted case of genocide, but he matches your ideological bias so no one bats an eye.
“Nazi ukrainian goverment” thats some deep russian propaganda rabbit hole you got there… Where are you from? I could bet you got more open nazi’s in parliment than Ukraine.
fwiw, in the US we have a guy running for senate as a Democrat who had a totenkopf on his chest, in the same style as those used by neonazi ukrainian groups such as misanthropic division
Ok, what does that prove? Any post-communist country has a massive problem with fascists/neonazis, but Ukraine has considerably less of them in parliment than any neighboring country. If I recall correctly none of the post-maidan far right parties got any places.
it doesn’t prove anything, I was making a joke that in the US a guy running for Senate had straight up Nazi tattoo on him, the problem isn’t limited to Eastern Europe.
in fact it seems like the nazism problem in Ukraine is more of a civil society problem, as in rather than getting state crackdowns on speech, if you say the wrong thing you might get a group of patriots showing up at your door to teach you a lesson.
here’s a video from a ukranian communist in kharkiv explaining the issue, translated by a ukranian from mariupol
Lol’d https://szmer.info/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModRemoveComment&userId=2
I post things in English because the audience here speaks that.
your response did illustrate my point well though
Oh, k ddnt notice you’re a Russian (native?) speaker. So, wanna tell about the Russian civil society and it’s situation?
My personal opinion was shaped by being held at gunpoint by FSB and internal border guards on one hand and activist who had to run abroad for their lives, or the ones who did not like Baburova and Markelov on the other, but I’m sure you have a better insight. Like it can’t all be state sanctioned neonazi attacks on environmentalist camps, surly there’s a lot going on beyond that? I’m not asking about the part in favour in government/spec mil op. I’m asking how is the opposition treated and how that fares against the mentioned Ukrainian experience.
Oh that sounds very different from most western democracies or… literally any place on earth? Where is this not a problem?
And for Ukraine in particular - I have antifa comrades there, I know the situation from real people, not some youtube account this what my perspective is based on. But it is well know how bad it is since years, you can easily find reportage with antifa automatic rifle training, or documented case of a (Russian) neonazi tripping over a grenade while jogging. OFC it’s bad. But not worse than Russia or some western states. It is less of a fascist regime than both Russia or US. Far less antifa or migrant casualties then Russia for sure. And yet here you are explaining to people from the region from things look… based on your extensive youtube searches in English.
The thing with your source is that 98% of state communist in the region are Russian sympathizers and as such legitimate targets in war conditions. They will be oppressed for siding with enemy, just as nazi sympathizers were stigmatized or executed in my country during WW2.
Straight up advocating for war crimes against civilians
Unless you are anti-antifa id be interested how you argument that there was advocating for war crimes and not stating that is happening and why, and what the given justification is. Context was mobs acting against individuals, not millitary.
But of course the given reason is BS. Another deleted comment simply stated antifascism is incompatible with authoritarianism, and you people find that offensive… Also few comments away you have a guy blatantly denying a broadly accepted case of genocide, but he matches your ideological bias so no one bats an eye.
The oppressed civilians are always hamas, of course.