cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/1874605
A 17-year-old from Nebraska and her mother are facing criminal charges including performing an illegal abortion and concealing a dead body after police obtained the pair’s private chat history from Facebook, court documents published by Motherboard show.
Wait what the heck is an illegal abortion? You mean getting one from unlicensed practioners? Some do it time to time to save money or don’t know any better.
In Nebraska or most other red states, could be having an abortion at all. Did you miss SCOTUS overturning Roe v Wade using, I kid you not, quotes from the 1600s in their reasoning?
Not American, the most I hear are when new presidents are elected or the occasional riots.
I’m not American either, but since my country catches a cold when the US sneezes, I keep tabs on what’s happening over there…
Well put, and we’re (some of us at least are) sorry about that cold you caught.
It’s ok, I know that the ones with the decency to feel bad about it aren’t the ones constantly getting us sick 😉
This girl could have had a legal abortion in the first 5 months of the pregnancy. Abortion is legal where she is, Roe v Wade being repealed changed nothing.
As for Roe v Wade, even those that are pro-abortion like myself can understand why it was overturned. Abortions aren’t a “privacy” issue like Roe v Wade was used to claim they are.
This will be referring to recently introduced laws essentially banning all/any abortion to be carried out (in some states even in extreme cases like rape/incest, or to save the life of the mother), but outside of that an illegal abortion might be due to it being done later in the pregancy than is legal, or without following required processes e.g. requirements to get scans first, alert the father, or have a consultation (most of which are often just traumatising anti-choice measures). Also as you say, using an unlicensed practitioner or unsafe method, yeah. Which aside from money, is sometimes due to fears of repercussion from their community or partner about either the pregancy or getting an abortion, so they seek back-door options or try to do it themselves without proper care.
She took something that aborted the baby in the third trimester(28 weeks), well after Nebraska’s 20 week window for legal abortions. 6.5 months into a 9 month process.
The baby could have survived if delivered, with specialized care, which puts it well outside of the “clump of cells” argument.
And yet, it’s still many weeks before the “her body her choice” argument ends.
An argument that, at 6.5mo of gestation, is well outside the moral limits of the vast majority.
That’s a bunch of bull, I know it, you know it, everybodys knows it. Vast majority my butt. If people cared that much about babies they wouldn’t die by the truck load all around the world because they can’t get the care they need.
That’s not really a relevant argument. It isn’t about whether people care about babies or not. Rather, this is a question of ethics: is it morally wrong to kill a baby if it’s still in your body but could live outside your body? If not, why not, assuming that it is morally wrong to kill another human?
I find this argumentation very weird. It is still in her body, it’s a part of her body. No one should have these kinds of rights over another person’s body. A person who actually is already alive, btw (the woman is also a living person).
Do you think people should be forced to donate organs? I feel this is a better analogy where men are actually included and can’t just stand by an watch how others are forced into stuff.
She chose to kill a baby that would have been alive had she given birth to it right there and then - that’s what makes this case different to someone getting an abortion at 8 weeks.
If they don’t care about babies their opinion doesn’t matter about an unborn baby. Period.
Excepting the opinion of the imaginary person you’ve invented, the question still remains.
Edit: and I would like to add that I do not align myself with conservative politics. I just question the morality of killing a being that would have likely lived if it had been removed from the mother.