Cool, lets remove all subsidies from fossil fuel and nuclear power generation, including making them clean up their pollution instead of externalizing those costs, and lets see how well that goes.
They only need subsidies because the costs of fossil fuels get externalized. If every fossil fuel company had to sequester all the CO2 they just dump into the atmosphere, they would probably go bankrupt.
Subsidies have always been about fostering new technologies and innovation.
Electricity in rural homes: In the 1930s, private utilities often would not run power lines to rural areas because it was not profitable enough. The Rural Electrification Administration used federal loans to help local electric co-ops build out rural power infrastructure. Before that, only about 1 in 10 farms had electricity, while most urban homes already did. Today, obviously, electric service is a basic expectation almost everywhere.
The internet: The internet’s roots trace back to ARPANET, a Defense Department/DARPA-funded research network created to connect computers and share digital resources. That publicly funded networking research laid the groundwork for the modern internet: email, web browsing, cloud apps, phones, business systems, and everything else that now runs daily life.
GPS navigation: GPS was developed by the U.S. Department of Defense and remains a government-owned system. It was later opened for civilian use, which is why we now casually use it for maps, delivery routing, fleet tracking, aviation, farming, construction layout, timestamping financial systems, and finding the nearest pizza place.
The Interstate Highway System: The Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956 created the Interstate Highway System as a massive federally backed infrastructure project. That public investment helped shape modern commuting, trucking, suburbia, logistics, road trips, distribution centers, and the way stores stock everyday goods.
Microchips and semiconductors: Early integrated circuits were privately invented, but government demand from defense and space programs helped create the first major market. The U.S. military and NASA were early buyers of integrated circuits for missiles and space guidance systems, helping push the technology forward before it became cheap enough for consumer electronics. That helped lead to the chips in phones, cars, thermostats, routers, controllers, appliances, and BAS equipment.
Phone cameras and digital imaging: Modern phone cameras owe a lot to NASA/JPL work on CMOS image sensors. NASA describes the CMOS image sensor as one of its most widespread spinoff technologies, enabling cell phone cameras, HD video, and modern digital imaging.
Medical research and everyday medicine: A lot of drugs, vaccines, diagnostics, and medical knowledge start with publicly funded basic research before private companies commercialize the final products. NIH describes itself as the world’s largest public funder of biomedical research and says decades of NIH-funded work have driven advances in health and science.
The government absorbs early risk, funds infrastructure or basic research, creates a first market, and then private industry scales it into something ordinary people use every day.
In the United States, new Treasury Department figures show that subsidies for wind and solar dwarf all other energy-related provisions in the tax code, costing $31.4 billion in 2024,
Hmmmm, interesting…
Also, in the broader sense, thats the point of the government. So the larger community can collectively support “unprofitable/less profitable” systems for the greater good through Taxes. But then Libertarian and Republican fuckwits keep supporting corrupt as fuck assholes for office.
If something needs subsidies to be viable, it’s not viable. Sorry, but it’s the truth.
Government subsidies should not exist. It should be government funding in return for ownership.
Cool, lets remove all subsidies from fossil fuel and nuclear power generation, including making them clean up their pollution instead of externalizing those costs, and lets see how well that goes.
Yeah, they should. I’m all for that.
The difference is that mining is still incredibly profitable without subsidies. They shouldn’t be getting subsidies. They don’t need them.
Renewables, on the other hand, need subsidies. Without them investment in renewables dries up because it’s not profitable.
They only need subsidies because the costs of fossil fuels get externalized. If every fossil fuel company had to sequester all the CO2 they just dump into the atmosphere, they would probably go bankrupt.
Subsidies have always been about fostering new technologies and innovation.
The government absorbs early risk, funds infrastructure or basic research, creates a first market, and then private industry scales it into something ordinary people use every day.
Sounds like communism
U.S. Spending Bill to Grant $40 Billion in Fossil Fuel Subsidies
Renewable Energy Received Record Subsidies in 2024
Hmmmm, interesting…
Also, in the broader sense, thats the point of the government. So the larger community can collectively support “unprofitable/less profitable” systems for the greater good through Taxes. But then Libertarian and Republican fuckwits keep supporting corrupt as fuck assholes for office.