• Seleni@lemmy.world
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        7 months ago

        I beg your pardon?

        Every job needs a living wage. Anything else is wage slavery. Seriously, what are you, a 1910 coal mine overseer?

        A living wage for all benefits both people and the economy; that’s been proven over and over again. All people are worthy of being able to support themselves and a family, for heaven’s sake.

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          7 months ago

          Let me rephrase; what if that person does not bring in enough value to an employer to be worth the amount that you think they should be paid?

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            7 months ago

            And again, that’s just wage slavery done up in a different bow.

            Payment for a job is you not wanting to do it or being unable to do it, so you hire someone to do it. If they do the job, they can’t do something else, so you pay them enough to make it worth their time. You support them so they can help you. If you can’t pay them enough to support them, then do the damn job yourself.

            Seriously, why are you so against people getting a living wage? It used to be even grocery checkstand workers could afford a decent place. Back then our economy was better too.

            We’ve done it before, and it worked. Other countries today do it and it works - see the wages for McDonald’s workers in Denmark as an example.

            The only thing taking away living wages does is force people into wage slavery to line the pockets of the rich to a ridiculous degree. It’s not sustainable and it benefits no-one but a few people who don’t need that money anyways.

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              7 months ago

              First problem is that “living wage” is a meaningless term because it will very by multiples depending on where you live and your family size/structure. The next problem is that people dont just do a job that needs to be done, they can literally be worth less than you pay them. If they keep making mistakes, or you cant trust that they will correctly do the job or whatever. It can just not be worth the money or extra labor to employ them.

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                7 months ago

                Right, which is, as the other person said, why you fire them if they don’t do a good job. You don’t keep a mistake-maker and pay them less, you hire someone who can do the job and pay them well.

                And how is it ‘meaningless’? You just defined it: a wage allowing someone to live in the place they’re located. So yes, it changes from place to place. That’s not ‘meaningless’, it’s ‘regional’. And you should still pay someone a living wage.

                I don’t understand why you’re so opposed to it. Why do you want people suffering and in poverty for providing services? If you work, you should be able to eat and live, full stop. Even if it’s only in the cheaper parts of your town.

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                  7 months ago

                  Exactly, so what do you do with people that are not valuable enough to pay a “living wage”?

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                    7 months ago

                    For the love of…

                    I guess I need to use simple words and shorter sentences with you.

                    If you hire a person, you pay them a living wage.

                    If they’re not doing their job right, train them better.

                    If they still don’t work out, fire them.

                    There. Is. No. Reason. Not. To. Pay. Workers. A. Living. Wage.

                    None.

                    And you still haven’t answered my question. Why are you so enamored of exploiting workers?