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      “The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative.”

      - Malcolm X

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          Not at all. We’ve seen this our whole lives, and are currently seeing it with the liberal response to the ongoing genocide in Palestine too. They only support emancipatory movements in theory, but in practice are the same as conservatives: they stop when those people are taking direct action for emancipation, specially when it threatens their own positions.

          "…who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” - MLK

          Liberals didn’t like Mandela’s use of force to overthrow apartheid in South Africa, and they wouldn’t approve of it if it happened now either. The same way they aren’t approving of Palestinian resistance groups like Hamas in their war against the apartheid colony “israel”.

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            I’ve seen fairly universal support from liberal voters both irl and online for Palestine, but not from our politicians.

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              That was the same with black liberation and apartheid South Africa in MLK and Mandela’s time: they support it only in theory. How many of them supported direct action and use of violent force to actually materially change those? How many of them support Hamas, PFLP, etc in our current time now?

              The answer is “not many”, because MLK, Malcolm X and Mandela were all right about liberals being the same as conservatives in practice.

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                  Hamas is more complicated

                  See what Malcolm X, MLK, and Mandela meant? You would’ve said shit like this about MLK’s and Mandela’s violent riots and sabotages of the government too, and liberals did.

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                Yeah people seem to forget liberalism is a right-wing ideology. One look at Reddit’s takes on Palestine says everything.

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      “In every political community there are varying shades of political opinion. One of the shadiest of these is the liberals. An outspoken group on many subjects. Ten degrees to the left of center in good times. Ten degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally.” - Phil Ochs

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      Neoliberalism is stuff like putting children to work in the coal mines and also includes modern day conservatives (especially the nazi ones, a lot of people don’t realize how the nazi regime was more or less liberalism taken to its conclusion, which is why it took a war for them to face any opposition from the liberal world order, and even then it was only because they bit the hand that fed them)

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      Neoliberalism =/= liberalism and especially not leftism (or just “the opposite of conservatism”), which I assume is what Colbert means