First “democrats” is doing a lot of work here. I’m assuming the voters that you’re talking about turning out were democrats. I’m assuming the politicians they voted for were democrats. So what you mean is some subset (eg Third Way types, which have already been mentioned).
Use numbers. What was the turnout for the previous years? What was the turnout for Obama? For Bill Clinton? Was it bigger when Dennis Kucinich was in the race? Other than Bernie, he was the leftmost candidate that I can recall - at least in the top 5 in recent years. State the point you are trying to prove clearly, then demonstrate it.
I’m a Bernie supporter - he actually helped secure a research grant I worked on, I’ve met him in person, and I donated to each of his campaigns since I started to be able to do that kind of thing. I’m a member of the DSA. I’m also a scientist, and I deal with this kind of thing all the time.
What you’re basically coming off as, to be honest, is that family member in the maga hat who keeps yelling that 2020 was rigged.
I think you’re arguing with ghosts, I’m honestly confused about what you’re trying to say and can’t keep track of all the assumptions you’re putting on the very little I said… I was truly trying to critique the fact that democrats specifically seem to jump to ‘Russian conspiracy’ very quickly when someone mentions they don’t believe in voting despite the fact that a large fraction of the population abstains from voting on a regular basis. You would think one would expect to run into a lot of true nonvoters given the statistics.
Sure, when you show me where I referenced numbers. I referenced a lawsuit which having happened in, yknow… a court, can be found easy peasy by anybody who wants to put in two seconds of effort.
What you’re basically coming off as, to be honest, is just another establishment Democrat who is putting more energy into fighting leftists than you do Republicans.
In 2012 I voted against Obama because I thought he was too conservative. I didn’t think his healthcare program went far enough, I didn’t like his foreign policy of continuing the Bush wars, and I thought he turned out to be far more establishment than he had indicated as a candidate in 2008.
I voted for Jill Stein. I said it wasn’t a protest vote and that I was voting my conscience, but it was totally a protest vote. Stein would have been the worst president in US history, and I even knew that at the time. I did it because Obama had a predicted 99% chance of winning my state, so I figured it was safe and would communicate to the democrats that there was a preference for more left leaning candidates.
What I did not do was try to campaign for Stein to try to get swing state voters to vote for her. I didn’t try to get swing state voters to not vote.
First “democrats” is doing a lot of work here. I’m assuming the voters that you’re talking about turning out were democrats. I’m assuming the politicians they voted for were democrats. So what you mean is some subset (eg Third Way types, which have already been mentioned).
Use numbers. What was the turnout for the previous years? What was the turnout for Obama? For Bill Clinton? Was it bigger when Dennis Kucinich was in the race? Other than Bernie, he was the leftmost candidate that I can recall - at least in the top 5 in recent years. State the point you are trying to prove clearly, then demonstrate it.
I’m a Bernie supporter - he actually helped secure a research grant I worked on, I’ve met him in person, and I donated to each of his campaigns since I started to be able to do that kind of thing. I’m a member of the DSA. I’m also a scientist, and I deal with this kind of thing all the time.
What you’re basically coming off as, to be honest, is that family member in the maga hat who keeps yelling that 2020 was rigged.
I think you’re arguing with ghosts, I’m honestly confused about what you’re trying to say and can’t keep track of all the assumptions you’re putting on the very little I said… I was truly trying to critique the fact that democrats specifically seem to jump to ‘Russian conspiracy’ very quickly when someone mentions they don’t believe in voting despite the fact that a large fraction of the population abstains from voting on a regular basis. You would think one would expect to run into a lot of true nonvoters given the statistics.
Sure, when you show me where I referenced numbers. I referenced a lawsuit which having happened in, yknow… a court, can be found easy peasy by anybody who wants to put in two seconds of effort.
What you’re basically coming off as, to be honest, is just another establishment Democrat who is putting more energy into fighting leftists than you do Republicans.
In 2012 I voted against Obama because I thought he was too conservative. I didn’t think his healthcare program went far enough, I didn’t like his foreign policy of continuing the Bush wars, and I thought he turned out to be far more establishment than he had indicated as a candidate in 2008.
I voted for Jill Stein. I said it wasn’t a protest vote and that I was voting my conscience, but it was totally a protest vote. Stein would have been the worst president in US history, and I even knew that at the time. I did it because Obama had a predicted 99% chance of winning my state, so I figured it was safe and would communicate to the democrats that there was a preference for more left leaning candidates.
What I did not do was try to campaign for Stein to try to get swing state voters to vote for her. I didn’t try to get swing state voters to not vote.
i live in a swing state and i keep voting green because the democrats keep putting up pentagon shills.