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        I think it was the totenkopf? Like I’ve read multiple times the dude referred to as “my totenkopf”. Even if this is a bad judgment thing keeping it that long, that’s not ok. Like I don’t agree with everything Geneva says, but they nailed this one.

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          Geneva_Convenience is part of an Establishment Democrat smear campaign against the first real progressive my state has seen. I was banned for “trolling” in my attempts to highlight and correct his deliberate disinformation. Take everything you read by this user with a heavy grain of salt, and in relation to this issue in particular, DM me at JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca for a link to Grahams entire reddit archive, not just this out of stater’s cherry picked items chosen deliberately to cast Graham in a bad light.

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            You think Geneva convention is part of the establishment democrats in any way, shape or form… dude, I don’t know how to tell you this, these people are communists.

            You’re not in some liberal conspiracy, to them YOU are the liberal conspiracy.

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    The slave trade was stopped not by trying to garner sympathy for the slaves, but for the slave traders. Hard to get people to care about people who look different to them. Then again in the age of drone warfare I don’t think this can be applied “directly” to modern conflict.

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      Somehow I can’t relate to that all. No amount of economic desperation would bring many people to that.

      Now with the right amount of indoctrination and lack of education I can definitely see things playing out that way.

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      there are documentaries of old people laughing when reminiscing about their warcrimes.

      look into the Tantura massacre documentary

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        israelis are notorious for this. They dehumanise Palestinians to a level that would make the Nazis blush.

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    Honestly, most good (Anti) War Movies i know are set in Vietnam.

    When i think of movies in the middle east, it´s US Slopaganda like Jarhead, Blackhawk Down and American Sniper

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      Blackhawk Down is set in Africa. Also, watch Guy Ritchie’s The Covenant and Warfare by Alex Garland / A24.

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        touche. last time i watched it was as an impressionable teenager so i don’t remember much.

        i wonder what a guy ritchie war movie is like, thx for the recommendation

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      You have to look for movies made during the war to get the spicy stuff. Most famously, The Green Berets, a movie so bad that when they showed it to marines in Vietnam, they wanted to go back to work. Roger Ebert gave 0 stars, bless his soul.

      My favorite shamelessly openly propaganda movie is Red Dawn, the one about a ragtag team of teenagers guerilla fighting off a joint invasion of the US by the USSR and Communist Latin Americans. Wolverines!

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      I mean it depends. Depending on what country they dont like at the moment, its been Russia, China, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran… And now Venezuela.

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          Y’all are always going on and on about Russian bots but you can’t read Russia in any context for any reason without dusting off the canned hate

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            I’m Finnish. Might know a thing or two about what they’re up to both short and long term.

            I might even read passable russian since it’s something that’s pretty important in the area I live in, about an hour from the border.

            My grandfather was 'naded in the continuation war too, but please do continue to act like you’re the expert here.

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              I wouldn’t go bragging about my Nazi ancestors as proof of my bloodline being impervious to propaganda but then again I’m not a w*sterner

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                That same grandfather fought on the red side of our civil war. You’re writing about things you know fuck all about. Russia attacked us, we struck them back worse. Twice. Then we fought the Germans right after that for good measure, and kicked those out too.

                Westerner or not at least get your fuckin facts straight before spouting off.

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    They just wanted healthcare 😔 Its not their fault that iraqi wedding was placed in front of their gun! True America isn’t like that I swear!

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      If you being democracy to a country against the will of the people, is that reqlly democratic? This sounds like putting lipstick on the pig that is imperialism.

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      this gives me the idea for a movie about the uh…liberation…of Afghanistan by the taliban, back in trumps first term.

      probably loads of good story during that event, especially with how so much of the government was just the taliban in suits, entire cities “falling” without a single shot

      would probably come off better as a documentary, do…people still make those?

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    And there’s a solid chance the cinematography will portray the civillians and resistance fighters as either dumb animals (most Iraq movies) or a horde of zombies (Black Hawk Down)

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    The way the stories are depicted they always dehumanize the invaded populations; after soldiers kill freedom fighters (who are always depicted as the bad guys), they also show civilians who get caught up and then the marine has a little breakdown over it, or has to hide his pain, or even that the civilians may have been trying to protect the fighter because he was family to them, and basically the story is told in a way to make you want to make excuses for the soldier. Meanwhile real soldiers are more like Platner who go back for multiple tours and talk about how they like infantry combat, or the people who brutalize the population at a level just beneath getting them legal consequences.

    I would say we need a new red dawn movie from the perspective of the Soviet (DPRK in the modern one) troops to get the message across, something that probably rips off a famous war movie that most have seen, to really hammer home how ridiculous modern war movies are but truthfully? I do genuinely think too many people are far too obtuse to understand; also every now and then a lib cracks and admits he believe our troops are good people while Russian troops are bad people.

    Perhaps what we also really need are movies from the perspective of the freedom fighters, but forget depicting them in a sympathetic light; depict them like Rambo, kicking butt and taking dogtags/names, and the troops in a similar depiction as the Persians in 300.

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      Perhaps what we also really need are movies from the perspective of the freedom fighters, but forget depicting them in a sympathetic light; depict them like Rambo, kicking butt and taking dogtags/names, and the troops in a similar depiction as the Persians in 300.

      There’s quite a few chinese movies that depict the korean war that way.