My feelings:
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Neat.
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Future is interesting.
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But proof is not in the puddin’ yet.
It’s easy to say “they’ll scale it up. They’ll get to optimizing the software,” but I’ve seen waaay too many hardware makers mess up that step.
I mean China has a proven track record of scaling stuff up once they decide to do something. Look at solar and EVs as two examples. Having sovereign supply chains for computing is obviously recognized as a top priority in China now, so there is every reason to expect that a lot of resources will be poured into making that happen at state level.
That’s a lot of vagueness though.
I’m interested in something physical. Something I could buy, that could realistically upgrade an Arc B580 in (say) indie games, or KCDII, or llama.cpp.
This is nowhere close yet.
And I dont doubt they’re getting investment, but I’m just skeptical because I’ve seen this story a hundred times before, even in China. And even then, what’s promised to be general hardware often evolves into something for a very nich need. As a recent example, see Tenstorrent.
I mean all we can do is wait and see, but there’s nothing magical about this tech, and the geopolitical situation today is very different from what it was in the past. It’s not like Chinese people are too dumb to build a GPU, it’s that there was no real reason to push this tech hard before when you could just buy these chips from NVIDIA. Now that the US is actively trying to cut China off, there’s a reason to make this stuff work. Just look at how rapidly Huawei phones improved and how much progress Huawei is making with their chips in just past few years. Why shouldn’t this happen with other types of chips going forward?
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Man I’d love to be able to mesh around with the gaming scene in China.
What’s stopping you?
You’d need a VPN to form a mesh.
Sinophobic morons contributing to cheaper cards for me. Win.
You do realize they’re only going to get better.
So will the competitors.
Doesn’t matter tho if they stop producing consumer grade stuff lol. Chinas GPUs are produced using domestically produced chips, afaik. And if China won’t use them solely for AI as well, I think they can have a good chance to fill the gap of consumer grade GPUs left by nvidia, Intel and AMD. At least for the low and midrange GPUs.
What competitors? nvdAI? AImd? AIntel?
I mean, building hardware for efficient inference and building gaming GPUs is more or less the same thing. Get better at one thing, get better at the other. It’s not like the US companies aren’t innovating, they’re just optimising for one thing.
Is 30,000 a lot for China? I feel like it might not be.
Also this is kind of the bottom line: “The LX 7G100 remains a poor buy for anyone chasing performance per dollar…”
I expect the costs will come down once they scale up production.
Nice, the 3060 is still very capable. Shame about Nvidia and their Cuda monopoly though.
3060 level performance? Pathetic!
Glances at 11 year old GPU
ZLUDA is still actively developed https://github.com/vosen/ZLUDA
It’s focused on ML inference now, TBH its not very fast, and it’s still vendor dependent.
I love the effort, but it’s not a fix to much yet.
It is a base that you can build on though which is a lot easier than starting from scratch.
Sure, but support is spotty at best.
Yeah, but if Chinese companies get serious about getting into the chip game, that’s a pretty good foundation to build on already.
Kinda wild that the 3060 and the 5060 (the currently sold model) have the same performance, but the headlines always compare to the older discontinued one
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-5060-gaming-oc/33.html
There’s ~30% performance difference between them.
There is a 5 year gap between the cards… and with the 5060 being an 8GB card, it might actually perform worse than the 3060 in vram limited scenarios
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cElzi6wNfn4
Daniel’s video on this is really good. It is a question worth asking depending on the games and settings you use to play those games.
What about energy efficiency?
A GPU from 2021 is better than anything I have and unlike nvidia they aren’t complicit in genocide.
I have news for you but I’m not sure you want to hear them
Oh boy, this oughta be good!
“I know there’s a live streamed genocide that we all witnessed, publicly admitted by the perpetrators and has been confirmed by multiple international sources, but have you considered that other genocide we have no evidence for?”
“No evidence” doesn’t meant what you think it means. Maybe it doesn’t reach your standard, and that’s fine. Saying there’s none though is a stretch. The fact you’ll probably argue that what I’m talking about isn’t real means there is evidence. You just don’t agree with it.
No, there’s hearsay. Not evidence. Not one “victim” or “surviving family member” has ever actually even testified to their treatment or presented any evidence whatsoever for the claim of genocide. They just say things happened. Incidentally every single one also is not and has never been a Chinese citizen. Which is weird for a genocide that supposedly happened in China.
Unless you’re counting the AI-generated “logs” that showed up 4 years ago, made headlines, and then promptly disappeared when it was pointed out literally all the text except a few names were absolute nonsense that vaguely looked Chinese.
Hearsay is a type of evidence.
Like I said, the fact you can list something to argue against means there is evidence. You proved the point beautifully. It doesn’t live up to your standard of proof, but that doesn’t make it not evidence.
(Also, there’s more than that, but whatever. You’ve already decided you don’t care about it. Again though, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You just don’t like it.)
Hearsay isn’t evidence, hence why it is almost always inadmissible, in all court systems, across the world.
(Also, there’s more than that, but whatever. You’ve already decided you don’t care about it. Again though, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You just don’t like it.)
I’ve been arguing with you people for a decade. I have seen and heard everything your Masters and Owners say is totally evidence of a genocide. I’ve read through the UN reports which explicitly state it is not a genocide. I’ve read through the leaked US state department documents that explicitly state it is not a genocide. I’ve read through the CIA docs that state that they created the “East Turkistan” movement which spawned the terror attacks which caused China to crack down on terrorism in the region. I’ve read the released CIA documents that stated they attempted to do the same thing for Tibet and that at least one Dalai Lama was explicitly a CIA asset with no actual ties to the region.
I came to a different conclusion than you not because I know less than you, but because I have thoroughly reviewed everything your owners have to say, and find it less credible because of your owners’ actions.
i wanna hear them
better than i expected, actually. software issues and optimization aside, they might be a couple of gens from pretty good. i wonder how they will be able to scale up production now.
as i remember, they are using an old process in a new way to get euv performance, but that’s cutting on yields, right?
I’m guessing it’ll take a year or two for that to get ironed out. The nice thing about the tau folding process Huawei came up with is that it’s complimentary with euv. So, once Chinese companies do master it, their chips will be that much better.
It’s early in the morning and I was like huh, I read:
China’s first edible gaming CPU
They’re called computer chips for a reason
They’re dorito flavored
We switched from TSMC to Frito-Lay and passed the savings on to you!
What kinda chip you got in there, a Dorito?
You waxing your modem trying to make it go faster?
Me too!
- braindead AOL’er
Competition as last
Open source the drivers and you will get better performance.
Then they won’t be able to hide the spyware as easily.
(NB: pure speculation, I have no evidence other than historical Chinese backdoors and spyware).
Yeah, open sinophobia straight from the 1800s does tend to “rustle some jimmies.”
Sure they can, just put it in a blob! It’s fine for AMD and nVidia!
Nah, that’s unlikely. They don’t have to hide it, or care if anyone knows.
Customers were blindly buying AMD and Nvidia without a care in the world, why hesitate over “oh wait, my propaganda” because the chips are made across the street lmao?
Chinese spyware or American backdoors…
Or Russian Malware or Israeli Brut force tools
Like the cologne?
Distrust but verify.
At this point I don’t even care.
