reupload because i mixed up sigterm and sigkill like a dumb fuck
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shutdown -f -t 0 -sGonna make Lemmy pissed off, but installed on my machine Nobara, Cachy and Mint at some point. All of them had comparable if not worse boot and shutdown times to Windows 10. xD ( And worse performance in games but that’s due to having old Nvidia GPU xD )
Xkill is my favorite. I prefer aiming the gun and pulling the trigger myself
It’s not a request, it’s a warning. The machine will be without power soon, and it’s up to the machine whether it wants to prepare for that or not
This but deleting a folder:
- Are you sure you want to delete this
- Delete too large to fit in garbage bin, so are you really sure
- Couldn’t delete stuff (for no clear reason)
- Even as admin file locks were hard blocking without any easy way to unblock
Meanwhile on Linux with sudo rm -rf, it’s just gone as demanded.
Partially true. The difference is that in Linux, when you delete a file, you’re just removing the directory entry (potentially just one of many entries that point to the same data). The filesystem doesn’t actually remove the data and reclaim space until all open handles are closed and no remaining directory entries point to the data.
Any running processes that have the file open are able to continue to read and write that data via the handle despite the directory entry being removed, until the handle is closed.
I think a file delete just removing an adress and not the actual data is common to all OSes. That’s why to safely erase data from a disk it is recommended to fully overwrite the disk with random data, potentially multiple times.
that’s a different thing. if you delete a file that is still opened by a process, the space will not get freed up until that process also closed the file. until that point the filesystem still keeps track of the file, it is just not present in any directories anymore.
If you delete a still opened file on Linux then the file will disappear for all processes which didn’t already open it, all programs that did already open it can still read and write to it and the file on disk will never be overwritten (as in, used for other files) as long as there’s still a process with the file open.
Simplifying how it works: The file you see is a link to the actual file(inode), when a program opens a file using this link they get a copy of the link. As long as one link/copy of it still exist the file won’t be deleted. When a program closes all its links get cleaned up so on shutdown all files which only have processes referring to them get marked as deleted.
I mean you could probably delete files with powershell then idk.
Uninterruptible sleep entered the chat
Meanwile MorphOS booting up and shutting down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIgybl6LfqU
The jingle at the start is the Mac’s own. The shutdown is so fast, you’ll miss it if you blink. No services, no demons or whatever.
(That was 2013. I’d argue it starts up even faster now.)The first time I shutdown a Linux computer, I thought I broke something it happened so fast.
Been doing Linux for decades. sudo reboot is still very jarring.
I think that reaction comes from messing with computers too much. When you fuck up in a computer, that sudden shutdown is what you get. Gives me flashbacks.
No
Same. I still feel like I should be parking the heads on my 10mb hard drive. Honestly at this point, I’m too embarased to ask if there is a proper way to send my servers for a reboot, and I cross my fingers I can log back in.
Systemdead can be a dick.
Everybody gangsta until “A stop job is running for …”
user error doesn’t count
user error? what user error? mount a network drive, disconnect the network, then try to unmount it. best part? most programs will stall for a long time when it tries to access the directory.
So too would be attempting to shut down Windows without saving and closing your applications then 😉
I couldn’t find better screenshot, but I’ve definitely seen this happening due to zombie processes after just regular use, rather than just broken mount. I feel like it’s handled way better nowadays though.
I feel like it’s handled way better nowadays though.
TL:DR No, lmao. But timer was lowered at some point to 3min for most distros, afaik.
Keeping it real hell yeah
I had a systemd bug delay shutdown for 2 mins every time for a very long time on Debian. Never managed to fix it, Fedora did not have the same issue fortunately.
also true for boot (not from suspended state), in my experience.
windows: wait, let me display the windows logo for 10 seconds, then show a spinny circle, then show the lock screen, then when you try to enter your password, it loads your user profile for another 5 minutes before it shows your desktop icons
linux: click the power button -> 1.5 seconds later i see the lock screen. enter password and it’s just there.
Back when i still had windows as a second boot option, it was soooo annoyingly slow to boot (like 3 minutes or so). I thought it’s because I installed it on a HDD, not SSD (and that was indeed part of the reason). One day when my internet broke though, I realized it was actually super fast to boot suddenly. It just spent half the time downloading stuff from the internet before, during boot. From then on I just pulled the ethernet cable before booting windows. Fucking joke of an operating system
I’ve found it to be very dependent on the distro and the hardware it’s running on. Back when I was playing around with distros I definitely tried some that felt like you snapped your fingers and had a desktop. But I settled on Fedora and that takes longer to boot for me than Windows. Not that I mind, 30 seconds once a week or so just isn’t important to me.
Are you perhaps on Wifi? I noticed that Fedora is has configured Systemd to wait for online network before continuing starting the login services.
No, this is on a wired machine. I have another one on wireless also running Fedora and I’d say that one is slower to boot, however it’s also on a Ryzen 3600 where my main PC is a 5700X so that’s kinda expected anyway.
Reboot
Windows: save all your woooork. What apps you had open? How would I know?
Linux: it’s all saved in ram, don’t worry. It’ll be like you never rebooted
Are you aware that RAM is cleared on reboot?
Linux gang reis ub!
…do they even have SysReq keys anymore?
taskkill /f /im “application.exe”
Pulls power cable
Correct answer. Ctrl-alt-sysreq-reisub takes more hands than I have available.
if you have to use your toes, it’s a UI fail :)
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop] "AutoEndTasks"="1"Ah yes, tinkering with the registry. There’s that user friendliness Windows is famous for.
Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power
