I’m aware. Seemed like a potential middle-ground learning moment, but alas at least it may temper the lurkers. That’s who it’s always really for anyway.
As someone who frequently tries to discuss topics primarily for lurkers, you have to realize your audience. Upvotes/downvotes may not matter at all, but they do tell you how effective your argument is in the context it exists in. Very few people seem to be siding with you here, where you essentially argue that western framing of sound Chinese socioeconomic policy as alien and incomprehensible is “politically neutral.” You have to adjust your argument for the audience, there are going to be more Marxists here and as a consequence we are going to be more aware of how tone and language is used in propaganda pieces to convey certain emotions and responses.
And for the record, I do agree with Yogthos here. I just want to point out that your goal largely backfired and legitimized Yogthos. You could, in theory, be 100% correct and still backfire in your aims due to how you present your argument and for which people. That’s why I try to remain polite, bring reciepts, and generally make sure what I have to say meaningfully adds to the conversation topic, for example. Rhetoric does matter if your goal is to get more people to agree with you.
For the record, all you seem to be defending is this specific article, which I have to say seems to have little practical value outside of this specific convo. Is your point that language doesn’t matter in general in the press? If not, then I fail to see what you actually would gain from this argument anyways. You have to make sure your arguments actually bring practical outcomes as well, and aren’t fought over something relatively valueless.
I’m aware. Seemed like a potential middle-ground learning moment, but alas at least it may temper the lurkers. That’s who it’s always really for anyway.
As someone who frequently tries to discuss topics primarily for lurkers, you have to realize your audience. Upvotes/downvotes may not matter at all, but they do tell you how effective your argument is in the context it exists in. Very few people seem to be siding with you here, where you essentially argue that western framing of sound Chinese socioeconomic policy as alien and incomprehensible is “politically neutral.” You have to adjust your argument for the audience, there are going to be more Marxists here and as a consequence we are going to be more aware of how tone and language is used in propaganda pieces to convey certain emotions and responses.
And for the record, I do agree with Yogthos here. I just want to point out that your goal largely backfired and legitimized Yogthos. You could, in theory, be 100% correct and still backfire in your aims due to how you present your argument and for which people. That’s why I try to remain polite, bring reciepts, and generally make sure what I have to say meaningfully adds to the conversation topic, for example. Rhetoric does matter if your goal is to get more people to agree with you.
For the record, all you seem to be defending is this specific article, which I have to say seems to have little practical value outside of this specific convo. Is your point that language doesn’t matter in general in the press? If not, then I fail to see what you actually would gain from this argument anyways. You have to make sure your arguments actually bring practical outcomes as well, and aren’t fought over something relatively valueless.
Not gonna be a learning moment until you have some humility