“Telegram is not a private messenger. There’s nothing private about it. It’s the opposite. It’s a cloud messenger where every message you’ve ever sent or received is in plain text in a database that Telegram the organization controls and has access to it”
“It’s like a Russian oligarch starting an unencrypted version of WhatsApp, a pixel for pixel clone of WhatsApp. That should be kind of a difficult brand to operate. Somehow, they’ve done a really amazing job of convincing the whole world that this is an encrypted messaging app and that the founder is some kind of Russian dissident, even though he goes there once a month, the whole team lives in Russia, and their families are there.”
" What happened in France is they just chose not to respond to the subpoena. So that’s in violation of the law. And, he gets arrested in France, right? And everyone’s like, oh, France. But I think the key point is they have the data, like they can respond to the subpoenas where as Signal, for instance, doesn’t have access to the data and couldn’t respond to that same request. To me it’s very obvious that Russia would’ve had a much less polite version of that conversation with Pavel Durov and the telegram team before this moment"
I’ve been saying this for years. Telegram is a social media app.
What’s the source of this interview?
I’m on dat Molly
Unlike Signal, Telegram is successful in getting people to move away from Meta’s Whatsapp.
Idk about that. Signal is the main alternative to WA in some parts of europe.
Telegram has approximately 1 billion global users. Signal only has around 100 million. Telegram is about 10x the size of Signal.
Dude for the first 15s I thought this is porn
Raising money for Signal with OnlyFans
its the sauna
How I hate that saunas are associated with porn and sex. It’s not supposed to be sexual and more importantly it’s an awful, just terrible place to have sex
I don’t know man, those benches are nice for a variety of positions. Plus, you are already naked…
you are gonna feel way too gross in the sauna to wanna have sex
Just trust me on this one, 80C+ room just isn’t the place for that sort of exercise. And it’s not like your heart rate isn’t up already lol. It’s a terrible experience
Slow down, big daddy! You can be gentle at it sometimes.
I want you to actually try sauna sex and report back to me, if you don’t believe me. But don’t say I didn’t warn you lol
SimpleX is the most private of the big three. No phone number or account needed. Able to self host.
Why did they do it to themselves to name it after the herpes virus tho?
Because the most common transmission vector is via family members? (HSV 1)
E.g. Your crazy uncle or news max loving grandparents
Pardon my French but what the fuck is SimpleX?
The answer is Simple!..
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A messenger app Musk touted as better than Signal some time ago
It’s a turd of an App, it’s not even close to ready for prime time.
most importantly it has a severe network effect problem. you will not find anyone to message on it
Herpes. It’s sexually transmitted, and it’s lifelong. You don’t want it.
Geeez, who are the other two?
What are the big three, and what is the bar it’s jumping over to be consider big?
Telegram had a good PR from Mr. Robot.
they definately installed signal and fucked afterward
The body language in this video is wild.
What about the astrological signs of the people?
Body language of the interviewer?
No, both. The interviewer seems extra comfortable at the start but by the end they both seem on the same level. I think in a good way, not sure it’s a good method to get a read on either of them if i know my friends 😆
I predict yet another Signal-related hack within the month.
And it will again be about someone added to the wrong group. Meaning - not a hack.
See this is why I’m reluctant to start listing them because I don’t want to get dragged into an interminable discussion about how hacks like https://thehackernews.com/2025/02/hackers-exploit-signals-linked-devices.html?m=1 somehow “don’t count” because it was the user’s fault, or https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/4850133017242-Twilio-Incident-What-Signal-Users-Need-to-Know doesn’t count because it didn’t include chat messages.
The irony is I very carefully chose my words when I said “Signal-related hack” instead of “Signal hack” because I knew fanbois would show up to argue that anything short of a central database leak isn’t really a hack.
It’s a thread about comparing Signal to Telegram of all things. In comparison to Signal as anything secure Telegram doesn’t exist in any quality.
At the same time Signal doesn’t have mass group chats and is not intended for that purpose.
The first link does count, it’s a valid failure from Signal devs. Humans err.
The second link does not, it’s an unofficial centralized aggregator, not from Signal devs, and the “hack” was a direct consequence of how it worked. It’s absolutely something that no sane person would use.
It’s a thread about comparing Signal to Telegram of all things
The relevance is that it’s not some unaligned security professional talking in the article, it’s literally the guy that runs Signal having a pop at his competition.
yet another? what dou mean?
Could you maybe resfresh my memory a bit and share a few previous signal hacks? Thanks
It should be the law that any information a online service collects about it’s users should be given to the government immediately and unconditionally, then suddenly people will start really caring about how much information a service has access to.
then suddenly people will start really caring about how much information a service has access to
I sincerely doubt it. The majority of people will accept that this is just “how it is” and will move on with life. After all, they’re not doing anything wrong.
I agree, if majority of people would care, Linux PCs would be the most popular option. They care about convenience only, but not even that much. Instead of researching the best they are just ok with the advertised options. They eat what they get.
They’ve done a really amazing job of convincing the world that this is an encrypted messaging app.
This is a play on people’s naivety. It is an encrypted messaging app in as much as regular messages are encrypted between the client and the server. It’s just that this achieves nothing for the user in terms of privacy unless you can both completely trust the provider (you shouldn’t) and be confident that the back-end can’t be compromised (you can’t).
They do also have “secret chats” that are apparently E2E encrypted, but you’d be mad at this point to give them the benefit of the doubt without at least looking at independent security audits of the client.
His NAME is MARLINSPIKE?? Like the ancestral home of Captain Haddock from Tintin?! We really are living in a simulation
It’s not his real name
It’s also the name of a tool for working with braided rope.
well, duh. it is also deeply annoying to navigate. It is like even shittier and less engaging reddit
weird to compare telegram to reddit, one is a messaging app and the other one is a link aggregator
but then both are used as forums
So are the comment sections below pork and beans recipes.
Any public discussion is technically a forum.
probably depends on how people use in different regions. down here it is mostly a news aggregator or thematic dumpster type of thing - so kinda like reddit. i had to look up when was the last time anyone wrote DMs to me in Telegram and it’s been a little over 4 years. Viber is the go-to messenger down here, followed by WhatsApp and Signal and it is always a headache to figure out who is using what and when someone uses a couple of those it is a bitch to find anything across multiple chats.
I stopped using Telegram as soon as I learned their chats aren’t E2E encrypted unless you create a secret chat. Their advertising is so misleading. Even WhatsApp is more private than Telegram.
