• charlieBox@lemmy.zipBanned
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    The three communist/socialist countries I know is China, Vietnam and North Korea and the general public do NOT elect their president. They do vote for local representatives but don’t vote for president. It’s like voting for a city board member who then vote for city mayor who then votes for state governor who then gets to vote for president.

    Labor is not the workers only commodity. Workers in USA own land, they own 401ks, they have private businesses that employ others. Which btw, you only lease land from the government in China. You do not own land. Also, China only saw prosperity after adopting capitalist style business models.

    Who are the capitalist you’re talking about? Everyone in USA is a capitalist when we go grocery shopping or buy a new car. We the people decide market price.

    Explain Moa, explain Kim Jung un.

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      The DPRK actually does have direct elections at all levels for government positions, but regardless, democracy is not “has direct elections,” it’s rule by the majority.

      As for “workers” owning capital, this makes them petite bourgeoisie, in essence petty capitalists. The US Empire is an imperialist country, and so is able to bribe the working classes into siding with capital using the spoils from the global south. Having a business and paying others to work for you, without needing to labor yourself, is being a capitalist, not a worker.

      As for the US, going to the store does not make you a capitalist, it makes you a consumer. The people do not decide the price, what decides the price of commodities is the socially necessary labor time going into the commodity, as well as factors like rent, supply and demand, and more that cause price to fluctuate around their values. People do not just think “I will pay 1 dollar for a car” and get it, cost of production is what has the biggest impact on price.

      As for leasing land in China, this is why 90% of people own their home there.

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      Workers in USA own land

      Lmao

      Everyone in USA is a capitalist when we go grocery shopping or buy a new car. We the people decide market price.

      I am genuinely curious how old are you?

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          Stop paying your property tax and see what happens lmao. Or wait until the government finds something they want on your land and eminent domains your ass. Unless you have your own private army and are ready to fight the government owning land is always just a lease from the state.

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            But it is in the constitution that they have to pay you fair market value if they eminent domain your ass while in China they just don’t renew your lease and you get nothing. Tell me how communism will lower my taxes? Lol

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              while in China they just don’t renew your lease and you get nothing.

              I think you should look up what Chinese nail houses are lmao. I couldn’t possibly imagine talking so confidently about something I knew so little about.

              How will it lower my taxes?

              By not charging property tax for a start. Also but muh taxes peak lolbertarian brainworms.

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                  First off holy fucking chauvinism go die. Second of all Mao wasn’t perfect literally no one thinks that the cultural revolution especially in the form it took was a major mistake and the lack of real agronomic knowledge during the great leap forward worsened what was a natural famine into a major countrywide disaster. But I digress have you considered bashing your head in with a brick to see if you can reset your brain so that you may become a better person?

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                    Defensive. I must’ve hit a nerve. You aren’t a troll though.

                    A troll isn’t a racist word. It has an actual definition

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                    It’s not racism. A troll is anyone paid to convince people of one opinion. If you are a professional then I dont need to waste my time trying to convince you of anything

                    An average Chinese citizen can’t access this website so I can only assume you have special privileges