• charlieBox@lemmy.zip
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    4 hours ago

    Are we counting the deaths from the the famine caused by the Chinese Great Leap Forward lead by the communist party?

    Communism sounds good but it depends on who leading to make good decisions. I would not want a communist system under Donald Trump

    In communism the whole makes the individual. In capitalism the individual makes the whole

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      2 hours ago

      This is a bit silly. The famine in China was largely a result of natural disasters, the communists ended famine in a region that had them historically. Further, socialist systems are comprehensively democratic, and cannot be led by a single person unilaterally. Even with party leaders and whatnot, socialist governance is collective.

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        29 minutes ago

        Are there any examples of democratic communism?

        They both have one function and that is to spread resources best. Capitalism let the free market decide how much something is worth. Your labor is decided by how much someone will pay and you decide what you want to eat for dinner with the free market and decide what livestock or plants get planted in the following year based on what people will buy.

        Communism relies on a central planner. Someone that could be hundreds of miles away from you. You think they will know what resources you need? What if that person was Donald Trump deciding for you?

        Btw, communism and socialism are was more protective. So low immigration, less tolerance.

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          24 minutes ago

          All socialist systems thus far have been democratic.

          Regarding capitalism, you’re referring to an idyllic, fantasy version of capitalism. In the real world, capitalists already control the means of production and distribution, so workers sell the only commodity they can: their labor-power. Since the capitalists hold all of the cards, the price of labor-power is pressed downward towards the customary social price of reproduction, ie as little as possible to prevent revolt while still taking up a full day of labor most days a week to survive.

          As for socialism, central planning involves local planning as well. The idea of a single planner hand-planning an entire economy is a farce designed to strawman socialism. In reality, economic planning is already heavily employed in businesses like Amazon, who predict demand and plan production accordingly. Central planning isn’t some pie in the sky idea, it worked in the USSR very well, and continues to work in socialist countries today.