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Plex has announced a massive price increase on the service’s Lifetime Plex Pass. On July 1, the lifetime subscription option will go from $249.99 to $749.99, an increase of 200%. The price hike will only apply to new subscribers, with no changes to monthly or annual subscription pricing.
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Just to say: MythTv is still a thing…
Ahh, memories. The start of my Linux journey nearly 20 years ago
Probably going to get hate for this. But I have easily gotten 750 dollars worth of value out of my lifetime subscription. I’m sure they are doing this to drive down lifetime subscriptions and increase month to month. But I legit think 750 over 20 years it’s still a legit price.
About $3/mo. But for a lifetime deal you’re also buying the risk. If they go bankrupt, stop honoring the lifetime deal, or any variation thereof tomorrow, you’re out $750 - lifetime deals, where they exist are often heavily discounted compared to normal rates due to this. 20 years is though quite a long time. Plex is only 16 years old.
In a perfect world a company would limit the amount of lifetime deals available and only have them in the beginning to get some quick cash allowing them to scale. I don’t think Plex is running a very good business, which also devalues the lifetime deal.
It;'s probably about 800 euro, but that is still 800 euro more than Emby/Kodi/Jellyfin or whatever other altnerative. I had a lot of issues with Plex due to them requiring that proof of ownership thing which didn’t really work on TrueNas core I think it was?
Jellyfin is way easier imo
are they insane?
Not really. Their plan for a while now is to convert all to subscriptions and this is just their latest salvo. Next up is getting rid of it completely due to “no demand” and then kicking existing lifetime accounts to some static version that won’t be supported.
then why not just do that? who are they pretending to fool?
Good point! Everyone that sees the news on this is either going to already be using Plex or not internalize it because it isn’t relevant to them.
It seems like they’re jumping through an awful lot of hoops to bamboozle some tiny number of potential customers that happen to be in the market for self-hosted media streaming right then at the time of the announcement of the end of the lifetime subscription.
From a purely profit-oriented perspective, no. They’re setting up a pretext to eliminate the lifetime license plan due to a lack of interest. No sane person would pay that kind of lump sum for the service (and the insane ones will bring in triple the revenue), so they’ll claim that there is no market for it. After that, they’re free to crank up the periodic subscription prices.
Never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by profiteering opportunism.
it’s their own product, who are they pretending to fool?
Stakeholders. Journalists. The market. The ignorant public. They’re constructing a narrative to shield themselves and minimize the hit to their reputation when they stop offering lifetime license plans. The announcement won’t look nearly as damning if it contains a reference to the falling number of new lifetime customers, even if it omits the context of why that number has been falling.
So they are “shielding” themselves from a reputation drop by making an incredibly naked attempt and pushing the price to the roof so nobody wants it?
I mean, come on… if they had increased it $20 by $20 until nobody wants it, I would buy your hypothesis, but this is like pooping on my Director’s desk while he is in the office to get fired
How is this less blatant than just announcing they are cancelling life time subscriptions? or even better, just removing the option without any announcement?
Never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by profiteering opportunism.
Does this already have a name? If not, can we call it “Riccitiello’s Law”?
Yes.
I know that whales exist, but seriously… Who is into self hosting but also into dropping $750 on a service that can end on a whim?
They dont want you to buy lifetime they want you to pay month to month.
I think it is safer to say they don’t prefer it. If they didn’t want you to buy it at all, they could discontinue the offering today.
Its like when a contractor quotes you a ridiculous price because they dont want to do the work. They assume you are going to say no, they dont want to do it. But if you say yes to their absurb price they are happy to take your money.
I used jellyfin but prefer plex and since I use it locally its free and better than jellyfin. If plex ever charges for local use hello jellyfin!
Wrong comment
Do you never leave the house for any period of time where you might want to bring some of your media?
In short; do you never travel?
Plex charges for downloading your own media through your own local network onto your own local devices.
I’m not talking about remote streaming. I’m not talking about downloading media while you’re already out of the house. Nothing about local downloads to local devices should require Plex’s servers, so it should come at no cost to them, which makes it a pure cash grab.
So yes, Plex does charge for local use :)
There are only like 4 movies I want to watch when I’m away from home and they are stored on my laptop. I had plex setup for outside use but didnt use it that much and figured when I did I was only interested in 4 movies. Step brothers - The greatest beer run - the big Lebowski - master and commander! I get em straight from the source Im home at the time why would i use the download feature??
A gentle reminder that Jellyfin exists to those thinking of alternatives.
A gentle reminder that Jellyin more or less requires you to set up a reverse proxy and a secure VPN to use it outside of your home.
Why would you not do that anyway?
Because if I’m watching locally I dont need them, and if I’m watching remotely Plex already offers secure remote viewing 'out of the box`. They give every user an SSL certificate and a public accessible URL at app.plex.tv. They also handle secure user authentication. The new price is stupid, but Jellyfin is not a 1:1 replacement.
For free (FOSS), and is way better than Plex
It’s not better in any way other than cost. That cost comes with massive drawbacks.
If you use it weekly it shouldn’t be free to you, certainly if you use it more frequently than that. Give money to the projects you depend on or they will disappear.
You find a place on jellyfin.org where they take donations? I was looking last night and only found a link where you could contribute your time.
If you click through some of the options on this page: https://jellyfin.org/contribute/
It links to a donation option here: https://opencollective.com/jellyfin
Supporting software that you use by paying for it?
Ew.
/kidding
I’m a very happy lifetime membership owner and have zero problem with them removing features from the free version. Free doesn’t pay the bills unless you want to become the product.
If you ignore the mostly horrendous UI, the security problems, the worse transcoding performance, the harder setup, the difficulty to access it remotely in a safe way,… Yeah sure, way better
Plex doesn't have hardware transcoding unless you pay almost 800 euro
I, and I assume everyone on this forum who has one, paid around 50-100€ for their lifetime pass. My hardware encoding works great and doesn’t need me to tell it about each and ever codec in existence and how to handle each one.
The new price is insane, but that was not the topic of this thread.
You are right,. that is fair. You can also pay 230 euro currently for it.
Isn’t plex’s price hike the main topic of this post?
The ui can be improved with community addons like moonfin but i agree it would be nice if they improved these out of the box
I couldn’t care less about the client design, since you have free choice there. If only the devs could be arsed to fix the issues that prevent me from just putting it behind a reverse proxy. If I could let people use it without exposing what is essentially an open door or forcing them to install a vpn, I would probably do that and slowly ween off Plex
This is a good illustration of the tradeoff of free software.
Jellyfin is core software, its mission is serving media, not providing auth or secure access. Those can be handled by other projects.
When you say “the devs can’t be arsed”, I think you’re misunderstanding that they won’t ever work on this, because that isnt the model.
The tradeoff with “free” (both in terms of free speech and free beer) is that work you need to do yourself to connect those pieces.
How are other projects going to handle using the Jellyfin app to log into Jellyfin? I don’t understand this. I see sentiments like this pretending Jellyfin is perfect like they don’t understand why people use Plex. I want to give my mom a URL that she can login to (or even better she gives me a code) after she downloads an app. What is the point of Jellyfin itself not handling this? It’s pointless. If I’m going to have a half baked server app, I might as well just use Kodi. They can be as stubborn as they want with this but people need these very basic things. I’d actually donate money to the project if they didn’t stubbornly REFUSE to do the main thing every Plex user wants. Other projects don’t need to do this. The Jellyfin developers need to. I first tried Jellyfin 6 years ago and this is STILL an issue and so I just stay on Plex because I’ve already got lifetime. I WANT to move to Jellyfin but I need to give normies access to my stuff and apparently that’s a wontfix for them?? I can host all this shit myself. I just need it all built in and for the apps to support it. I don’t think anyone is crazy to want this right?
What the hell.
This is self hosted and you’re screaming about not having an easy button.
As I mentioned, jellyfin is not an auth platform, nor a reverse proxy. And they will never be. Build your own, there are many products out there. Or hire someone, Christ.
Either way, quit bitching, put on your adult pants and either add auth to jellyfin, use Plex, or shut the fuck up.
You just give those people the name of the app your recommend (Jellyfin, Moonfin etc) and give them the URL and their username, then they create a password.
It’s not that difficult for most and if it is you help them once with it.
Lol, what an insane take. EVERY project that exposes an API is responsible for securing that. Its not rocket science, its server software 101.
Being free is not an excuse, especially when there are perfectly valid migration strategies, that don’t force them to abandon legacy clients.
Fans like you are the reason they get away with disregarding their basic responsibility
“Fans like you”?
Fuck off.
As someone who picked up lifetime for like $45 or whatever it was (I think a 50% off sale?) what must have been 15 years ago…
I run jellyfin. Its just a better experience IMO.
I’m sorry but you can hate Plex and prefer jellyfin all you want, but you don’t have to lie. Nothing about jellyfin is a “better experience” than Plex.
What are some examples?
Jellyfin is easy to prove you are the owner off. While Plex has issues with that on systems like TrueNas when you don’t have full access to the server
Why are you having to prove you’re the owner of it exactly? What you’re describing is “user error”.
The whole claim token thing and no it was a know issue
Was? So it’s not now?
Again, if you installed Plex in a setup that it is known to have issues with, that’s a user error.
No lol, that’s just a pourly designed system.
Also Plex worked with IX systems to get Plex on Truenas
Don’t have to make an account, for starters. Gives you more detailed control of transcoding options, audio playback and whatnot.
The UI looks much worse, that much is true, but that’s not the end all be all of user experience.
Making an account is what allows the easy library sharing and remote streaming, something that Plex is significantly better than JellyFin at.
What transcoding options does it have that Plex doesn’t?
How is Plex significantly better than Jellyfin at those things? I can just create a user in 2 seconds on the admin dashboard for Jellyfin, set a temporary password and my friend can log in and change it to whatever they want.
I can even limit the streaming bitrate to the account if I need to avoid bandwidth issues.
Unless your user comes and logs in on your network, and only streams when they’re at your house, then you’ve just opened your server to the world.
Plex has bandwidth controls.
Tailscale and IP whitelisting are both viable options
They mentioned remote streaming which jellyfin doesn’t have a secure way to do by itself
Does Plex? Have they ever been security audited or are we just taking the word of closed source software because they make it easier? Like Microsoft who just got caught adding backdoors into billions of computers and (pick one) closed source software company who has had major security breaches in the last decade.
No, but that’s easy to setup with Tailscale or a myriad of other solutions for free.
It doesn’t cost $750.
…to stream your own media, hosted on your own server 😅
Neither does Plex.
No you are right, it is 800 euro.
No, plex has many price points, including a free one.
The company’s blog post also described a number of improvements they plan to make
After you pay: “oops, we won’t”
As a lifetime owner, the number of features they’ve deprecated is probably the worst part.
- Photo support (luckily Immich came along)
- Tidal integration (no idea if that was Plex or Tidal’s decision)
- Plugins (god forbid anyone add the functionality they keep removing)
It’s close between that and the last app overhaul that removed a bunch of functionality.
Watch Together isn’t removed, but it’s been deprecated and has stopped working on at least one platform (Chromecast).
Really shitty move to be removing/deprecating functionality and then asking for more money.
Fucks sake, when did that happen?
https://support.plex.tv/articles/watch-together/
February of 2025, looks like.
they must be tired of running that company.
Is the whole world right now like me at the very end of a SimCity 3000 game, when it’s time to just turn on all the catastrophies?
Could they at least send the fun ones like Godzilla and aliens?
I do not think late stage capitalism was one of the endings, so I second the fun disasters.
Its so much less cool than that.
Business leaders have finally gotten the legal oversight landscape set up so the cash register is being monitored by a blind baby that was dropped on its head, so they’re all just lining up robbing the place.
The end-game plan seems to be to keep it up until things go all Mad Max, then hide in underground vaults until that blows over and start it again.
So basically, they just want to phase our the lifetime plan, but they know removing it outright would cause outrage so they “just” increase the price to massively lower interest and then say: “Well nobody wanted it so we removed the product”.
I swear to god plex and the profiteering sons of bitches behind it can go fuck themselves.
It’s good “fuck off” pricing.
The make more off of FAAS then lifetime sub’s. More of their users are FAAS users them stream your own.
I’ve gotten my money’s worth out of the $74.99 I paid for Plex Pass Lifetime several years ago. If they ever get rid of my Plex Pass and try to say “Lifetime didn’t actually mean Lifetime”, I’ll be gone.
We’ve seen other companies pull this move by saying “lifetime” only applies to X version.
Except when I bought my lifetime it meant lifetime for the SERVICE, not the app…
Did it. I don’t remember it saying that. And I bought it around the same time as you since I paid the same price.
Sure, but that doesn’t mean Plex will do it.
While that’s true, it is in the standard VC playbook to make that move. Since they seem to be using that playbook, there will come a point in the monetization program where the lifetime membership becomes a blocker, which is overcome by diluting the lifetime account to increase the appeal of the subscription by comparison.
So, while nobody in here is named Nostradamus, it does not take a clairvoyance to see the future in this case. Countless other companies have followed this same program, with only minor variation, to extract revenue from the product like a strip mine. If I see 100 companies perform a 15-or-so step monetization spiral, it is not a leap of logic to think Plex is going to do steps 9-15 since we’ve just seen them do steps 1-8.
The lifetime membership will never be a blocked thanks to this price update.
I’ve never had a lifetime license be taken away other than the company going out of business.
No, they can’t just breach the contract you have with them, of course, but the VC playbook has a play for that.
What they will do is create a different service tier that does not include the same features as the standard or lifetime plans have. That tier will initially have some “value adds” that are of little interest to most users. Then, slowly, features will disappear from the other tiers, and a greater percentage of users will be drawn to that one because the “standard” one is increasingly lacking.
Eventually, Plex Standard will be quite anemic, with at least a couple must-have features available to only GigaPlex members. Because you’re a “valued lifetime customer”, you’ll get the option to convert your lifetime membership into 90-365 days of free GigaPlex.
So, Plex wins their game. The lifetime members practically all either switch to monthly premium service or leave, both of which are outcomes that are to their benefit. Nobody took away your lifetime membership, they just transformed it to garbage.
Its not every company, but it is every company owned by venture capital.
You can live in fear of your made up scenarios like this, but I’m just going to continue using Plex with my lifetime license.
I’m not afraid of the inevitable, man. We are having a conversation and I’m sharing my thoughts.
I like to think I got my money out of mine as well, even though I only used it for like a year or two before switching to jellyfin.
My old kodi setup just works, year after year, and will work 10 years from now too…
Just out of interest as someone who has recently set up a Jellyfin server - what’s the main “value add” of using Plex compared to Jellyfin?
It seems to do everything I want, so I’m not sure why people would pay for Plex over the FOSS version.
HDR, hardware transcoding, remote access.
My Jellyfin has all of these things.
Mine too. And I appreciates that.
Ease of use, and actual secure and usable external access.
Friends/family make an account and tell you their account name or email address, you invite them to your library and that’s it, they can watch/listen to your media on pretty much any device they have. No vpn needed.
Jellyfin is not meant to be exposed to the internet for remote viewing. It also doesn’t have a client on most devices people use to watch tv/movies.
Huge disagree on the last part. Jellyfin has a bunch of Android, Roku, Google tv and PC clients. I struggle to think of a device me or my friends use that has a Plex client but not a Jellyfin one.
I’ve got a bunch of friends accessing my jellyfin server. It has clients for most devices now.
I didn’t say it’s not possible, I said it’s not secure and/or easy.
It’s definitely easy, and the secure part is debatable.
Doing it insecurely is easy.
The secure part isn’t debatable. Even the devs will tell you it’s not secure.
Secure isn’t a binary. Depending on your threat model, using Plex is impossible to use securely!
I was Osama bin Laden and I can confirm that this is true.
Plexamp is just far superior for music. It doesn’t even come close sadly … since I only use it for my music collection I simply prefer Plex … but only because I got lifetime a long time ago for 60 bucks or something …
For me, the killer app for Plex is Plexamp, the music client. It’s superb, and AFAIK Jellyfin doesn’t really have an equivalent (there are 3P options, but they’re lacking).
I have a navidrome server. Nothing, really nothing comes close to Plexamp and its features … sadly … but they all ain’t bad and got the basic stuff right
What features do you like? Not trying to convince you, I’m just curious.
Not the same person, but Plexamp uses plexs data / algorithms and had a way to create playlists and selected good songs. Hard to beat when not collecting data.
Sonic Analysis and the amount of radios like style or mood radio for example.
I quote Plex here just because I’m lazy:
“Your Plex Media Server can perform a “sonic analysis” of your local music files to catalog detailed characteristics about the actual music itself. That data can then be used in a variety of ways, allowing you to see sonically similar artists/albums/tracks, play a Track Radio, or even suggest specific mixes for you, based on what you’ve already listened to.
It’s a powerful tool, allowing you to explore your music library in Plex like never before!”
It works quite impressive for my library.
For me (Android) I have used these:
- Finamp
- Default Jellyfin App
- Symfonium
And Symfonium can do many sources and is the moat powerful.
Finamp is neat but couldnt do casting to my soundbar via google castSymfonium with Jellyfin all the way!
Realistically the only advantage of Plex is being able to watch it over the internet without a VPN. Which means it makes it easier to get friends and family access to your server or to access it yourself from random smart tvs outside your house.
If you only watch at home or have a fire stick that you take with you to watch abroad or your friends/family members have one and can setup a VPN on it it’s not needed.
Are you accessing your media from outside of your network?
I have heard that you need to set up a VPN for Jellyfin to securely use your media library remotely. Plex handles all of that for me so that I don’t need to deal with it.
I have a jellyfin server set up that you access like this:
https://my.servername/jellyfin
Username and password is all you need aside from that. Apps for most platforms or access in a web browser.
You should not expose a Jellyfin server to the open internet.
You should not expose a Jellyfin server to the open internet.You should not expose a Jellyfin server to the open internet if you don’t know what you’re doing.
FTFY
Please tell me, oh wise one, how do you fix the glaring security issues that are the reason even Jellyfin Stans admit that you should use a VPN?
Port forward, filter ips, take reasonable precautions on the trust of networks.
It’s not rocket science, as you mentioned in your other vitriol.
I think you don’t understand the nature of the exploit.
Anybody who can see the Jellyfin login page can use the Jellyfin server’s permissions to play media directly from your media library.
Port forwarding doesn’t matter. Jellyfin hosts on port 80/443 which you have to allow for the service to function. Most clients are on dynamic IPs or CGNATs so unless you’re going to manually change the IP filter for every single user every few days, IP filters are not a reasonable solution.
‘Take reasonable precautions on the trust of networks’ doesn’t even make sense. Your Jellyfin server is either available to the Internet or not available to the Internet. If you choose not to trust the Internet (the actual mitigation) then you obtain access to your Jellyfin server through a VPN.
What? How is port forwarding adding anything to security? How does blocking IP ranges help prevent attacks on the unsecured backend?
Username and password is all you need aside from that.
The sad reality is that Jellyfin’s authentication system is insecure, and there are “anyone can view your content without a valid login” exploits that are not going to be patched. The only way to stop someone would be to include a secondary username+password on your reverse proxy, to prevent attackers from even reaching your Jellyfin login page. Because if you can reach Jellyfin’s login page, you can exploit it without logging in. But that would break basically everything except for web browsers, because none of the various apps have support for more than Jellyfin’s authentication.
I mean, that’s not great, but it’s also not very concerning to me. Like the risk of someone doing that, and the potential harm resulting seems minimal to me.
The problem is that every single person uses the Trash Guide to set up their system. And the guide includes instructions on how to set up your file names.
You’re correct that in isolation the risk is minimal. But nearly every setup is using the trash guide’s suggested naming scheme, which makes guessing it dead simple.
I’m not familiar with the trash guide. I set mine up with swizzin community edition.
Edit: either way though, what is the real risk? Someone streams your media without your permission?
either way though, what is the real risk? Someone streams your media without your permission?
I am outraged that someone would commit piracy on my pirated content!
Honestly, if someone is going through all that trouble then they’ve earned it… and it saves me the effort of needing to create them an account.
You do know that there are security issues with that, right? For example, if someone can guess your media files they can watch them https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/issues/5415
Some of those aren’t great, but I don’t consider any of them critical in terms of risk. I understand that others may feel differently.
Agree, I don’t consider most of them a risk, but I do like to bring this to the attention of people who are exposing Jellyfin to the web so they can make an informed decision.
Thanks for this. There is a lot of apologia in the FOSS community, and Jellyfin fans are some of the worst. I have 100% seen comments along the lines of “lol I’ve had my Jellyfin port forwarded for years and I’ve been fine” as if it’s a valid security audit. The unfortunate fact is that Jellyfin is not secure, and the devs have openly stated that they have no intention of ever fixing these vulnerabilities. Because fixing them would require completely divesting from the Emby fork that the entire project was originally built on.
Jellyfin should never be available externally. And that means anything incapable of running a VPN will be incapable of connecting.
I do not, and don’t plan to. Probably wouldn’t be that hard to set up though as someone familiar with nginx.
I guess Plex uses their own VPN under the hood then to make it more convenient?
Yep, and it generally has fewer sharp corners. Like last time I checked, in order to set up quick sync, you have to manually check each codec you want to offload to hardware. And if you select one that isn’t supported by your hardware, you find out when you try to play that. So it means carefully cross-referencing with the Wikipedia page for your quick sync version. Plex just has an enable hardware transcoding check box and it figures it out for you.
There’s also some features like smart playlists that I remember needing to set up plugins for whereas Plex supports it out of the box.
Of course ther are other things where jellyfin comes out ahead, like surround to stereo down mixing - I could never get the center channel (dialog) to be at a good volume when down mixed to stereo on my TV, but it just works and produces the correct volume in jellyfin.
But ultimately I think what causes all my users to prefer Plex is that the official app is polished and consistent across all platforms. The official jellyfin one looks like a programmer put it together with bootstrap components, and my favorite alternatives (like findroid) are in active development (I do donate on a reoccurring basis though in hopes that it reaches a level of polish matching Plex)
I don’t think transcoding is that difficult if you’ve already set up your own server. Like, that’s only a thing the admin would have to figure out and it’s a quick lookup.
I do agree with the client UI issue tho, and would like to add that the lack of a per-user watchlist is a pretty baffling decision given that it’s been widely requested for years and years and it would make it enormously more comfortable.
Wait, Jellyfin doesn’t have per user watch lists? Forget making it externally available to other people, this is something I need within my own household. I haven’t installed Jellyfin yet, but I had not anticipated this feature being absent. How do you work around it?
It’s not, and I didn’t say it was hard. Just that it’s a sharp corner that jellyfin should fix if they want to make it as one click as Plex is. It’s another part of the setup where you have to pay attention and get every check box right or it’ll not work as intended. I found it annoying to have to look it up and I’ve been in software for 15 years. I don’t doubt that any newb would find it frustrating. I remember seeing that it was planned to have hardware transcoding codec support auto detected but IDK if that has happened yet.
It’s especially annoying because jellyfin doesn’t just copy the support matrix into their docs, and the one on Wikipedia is by processor generation codename, so you have to look up your processor and get the codename, then reference the Wikipedia table and go down each codec and not make a mistake. Even though it’s “not hard” I still go back to that section because I second guess that I checked everything right thinking that I’ve caused some issues with a mistake. It’s additional cognitive load that isn’t worth defending if you want jellyfin to be good.
Seems funny that they continue to increase the price as that value sharply declines with the limited life left in it.
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I got this on Black Friday many years ago for ~70 and despite the pass I am slowly moving over to Jellyfin. I really don’t see how they came up with this valuation, seems like a last money squeeze before abandoning ship.
Everything changed when they signed that A24 deal, and its not even the good movies, its the shitty also-rans. They want revenue now.
I wish them luck, but it seems despite all the data collection they failed to understand who their customers are. Idgaf about their content, I block and remove it where I can. Instead now we have content that will not convince anyone to cancel their Netflix or HBO to move to them and I have a home server that barely runs anymore because the software is so bloated.
They don’t want lifetime licenses to sell, they want monthly subscriptions from everyone.
