I mean, Microsoft’s biggest mistake was shoving it in front of everyone’s faces. The real reason that all the other “agentic BS” is received well is because the people who use them have an actual use case, or, are very enthusiastic about the technology and enjoy messing with it. Thus the discussion is mostly from that small group of people who will have something positive to say.
The truth is, that all the models and harnesses suck for most use cases that most people have. When you shove it in front of a general audience and make them interact with it, then the discussion will be about how bad it is.
Have all the code in the world
Create LLM for software development
Try to advertise it
Oops, no budget
Get acquired by Microsoft
Enshittification ensues
Everyone else loots your code repos
Microsoft tries to put your coding tool in everything
Coding tool injected into Excel
Into Word
Into Teams Chat
Nobody knows what this is even supposed to do anymore
Copilot now synonymous with Clippy
Yeah, can’t even begin to imagine how this happened.
And the ONE useful feature (summarizing meeting transcripts) is behind a paywall corporate doesn’t want to touch.
Fucking linux nerds (that was for someone I just met on here). Anyway, yea, my company got three licenses for it, biggest waste of budget ever. I dunno what they clamped on top of open AI, but it’s just terrible. It can’t even parse a spreadsheet correctly.
If agentic LLMs are the prize, I’d be fine with losing.
So what do we use now?
I just wrote a tiny bit of code, a cute little GLSL shader than generates some shapes in a Voxel modeling tool I like. Would love to share it. Most of the shaders I use were found on GitHub. I was going to use GitLab but then realized it was like a second life bar of the same GitBoss.
I have no idea where to host my little scripts now.
Codeberg or Sourcehut got you covered 🙂
Codeberg
It is truly, deeply amazing how bad Microsoft is. Proton on Linux is FASTER than the actual directX it’s emulating is on windows. They got beat at their own instruction layer.
And they had Skype, which was practically a genericized trademark for “video call–” until first Apple’s FaceTime and then Zoom utterly took them apart.
And they had Office, which defined the product category so completely that it’s called “office software–” but then Google Docs took them apart on a molecular level.
Microsoft is the king of snatching defeat from the clutching jaws of victory.
which defined the product category so completely that it’s called “office software–”
Err, no it’s called office software because it’s software you use in an office. Microsoft didn’t invent the word “office”.
but then Google Docs took them apart
Tapping the breaks on that one.
Google Docs is very lightweight, but it’s also very stripped down. Word remains the first choice in word processors for 90% of the market. It (and Excel) are a big reason offices haven’t seriously begun abandoning Microsoft.
I don’t think that’s the case, but I only have anecdotal evidence for that. I haven’t ever worked at a company where Office was the preference, and the last three I’ve worked at didn’t even offer it as a default. And I’m in my forties.
I haven’t ever worked at a company where Office was the preference,
I haven’t worked at an office where it wasn’t. And I’ve done years of consulting at Deloitte, so I’ve seen a few places.
Is Google Docs as popular as Microsoft Office?
I work in finance/insurance and can’t see a way to move away for Excel (there’s still there spreadsheets with 10+ years still being used).
My wife’s company uses GDocs, but they’re do food research and barely uses those programs.
Microsoft acquired Skype, did not create it. Then destryed it with its own hands.
They acquired practically everything they have. They haven’t created anything truly new since the mid-90s.
They also had Internet Explorer. When it was released it was actually good (compared to the competition). Internet Explorer was dominant, but then it turned into the punching bag for web browser memes.
I think that Microsoft is paralyzed by corporate culture. Everything needs to be signed off by multiple stakeholders, everything needs a dozen meetings before anyone can make a decision, and as a result the stuff that’s “good enough” (read: still making money) languishes–or worse, becomes a dumping ground for whatever corporate pet project is exciting–until it’s unacceptably awful, mired under decades of technical debt and spaghetti code fixes.
At least they have the sense to let the successful companies they acquire manage themselves. There’s no AI in Minecraft, for instance.
Yes… I actually cannot fathom just how incessantly bad a company can manage to be, and how some people still refuse to realise how there’s literally nothing of value to be had from anything made by Microsoft.
Proton (and Wine, what it’s based on) are not emulators. They are compatibility layers, it translates Windows system calls to native Linux system calls.
Or simply put: Wine Is Not an Emulator
That isn’t “simply put”. It’s a witty way to phrase half the comment, completely omitting the other half that actually explains what it does. WINE is a clever abbreviation as a name for the tool, but the opposite of descriptive about its purpose or function.
WNE?
Ah, WINAE.
Microsoft could have been king with with chatgpt for personal superapp, github copilot for developers and something like sharepoint/power vibe widgets. But nooo, they make windows recall when ai models can’t run locally
if they had made a unified copilot agent they would have won. Think open claw with the power of NPUs for small tasks and cloud for big queries dedicated APIs for interacting with all the microsoft products special tailored version for developers. More focus on retrieving information and doing small tasks for the user than generating slop.
The first versions they released were so fucking bad and every app had basically just a chatbot with zero functionality. It ruined the product for when it could actually do tasks.
Just like Skype getting lapped by Zoom during COVID
Lol! Be like GitLab instead:
1 - Be the underdog with good reputation in a market completely monopolized;
2 - Have the incumbent self-destruct by vibecoding its product and pushing AI above every other feature to its customers;
3 - Loudly announce that you are leaving your past good behavior behind, and that you are betting everything on vibecoding and pushing AI to your customers!
The US Govt. as a customer, and the forges they operate / contract, being pushed to use AI is probably (unfortunately) a huge piece of this problem.
“if they’re gonna steal, they should at least do it right” I mean, I can see how someone would want to think that, but I’m fine with them failing to steal.
I don’t know the original author’s opinions on AI, but I think it’s still fair to say that it was clearly Copilot’s goal to steal all the code and be good, and they had all the code, and so ethics aside one would expect them to have succeeded with flying colour at whatever their goals were, even if those were bad goals.
But they failed instead, which is impressive.
And fail at the basic task of keeping GitHub running with 99% uptime in the meantime
I see this as proof of how bad LLMs actually are. You have an AI trained on essentially humanity’s collective programming library. Languages of machines and computers. The result should be ungodly and near perfection. If there was any semblance of understanding in AI, it should be revealed in it’s capability to produce code.
Although… I can definitely see Microsoft thinking that their code is the example of perfection and training copilot on that rather than github.
should be ungodly and near perfection
Counterpoint: garbage in, garbage out
Oh right, that.
Your proof of how bad LLMs are is the fact that there are a bunch of other companies producing way better coding agents and coding models than Microsoft is? I’m not sure how that follows. Those other agents are good, that’s the point of this.
It’s wild to me that people are constantly complaining how “bad” LLMs are, because what, it can make mistakes or it’s not orders of magnitude smarter than the smartest humans???
It is impressive how much better claude is than copilot specifically for coding.
Like… how much bullshit is in Windows to learn off of, let alone github.
Greentext on X?
Nah, green is woke.
Their idea was that OpenAI was so far ahead of the competition no one could ever catch up. Turns out they weren’t and now they’re at the bottom.
At the bottom? Is there a single LLM that has surpassed ChatGPT?
Claude
Claude outperforms in coding and agentic tasks. I asked about LLM as a chat model. It’s still in benchmarks at the top, and still the most popular one, by far.
Even with Claude, the difference isn’t big and it’s the only one that managed to surpass it in benchmarks, so… still - at the bottom? You sure about that?
Google: “We Have No Moat, And Neither Does OpenAI”. Prophetic words.
