• 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      151·
      10 months ago

      My first Linux install, I downloaded some tutorial from somewhere, can’t remember where (maybe someone on IRC shared it 🤔… IDK, I can’t remember), and this is litelarly what it said 😂.

      You have to be prepared when installing Linux. Take a week or two off work or school and make sure you have the following things at your disposal.

      • Find as many bootable floppy’s and as many different dostro CDs as possible. Why? The boot floppy from Debian might work with Suse, but not the Debian CD.

      • Make sure you have at least two CD drives and floppy drives at your disposal. The more, the better. Why? You’ll probably burn out the first ones while trying to figure out which boot floppy goes with which distro.

      • Have coffee at your disposal all the time. You’re at the bottom of the pot? Pour that in your mug and put a new one on the kettle.

      • Stock up on as many different kinds of alcohol you can find, preferably strong stuff. Trust me, you’ll need it.

    • cevn@lemmy.world
      12·
      10 months ago

      Lmao… it hurts because it’s true!! Debug these windows stack traces in Linux, here you go!! Exception happened at 0xEBFCEBFCBEBXBDBBWBXBENEKWWLLWLFFMLW

  • nifty@lemmy.world
    357·
    10 months ago

    I hate comments that are like “oh if only Linux could run Whatever” etc. You can have more than one computer (or partition), and you can have more than one OS. Windows isn’t going to divorce you if you spend time with Linux.

    • MashedTech@lemmy.world
      31·
      10 months ago

      No, but it sure is annoying having to switch in the middle of doing something especially when you’re working. (Also, there’s that pesky thing that happened to me as well where windows doesn’t play nice with the Linux boot partition and fucks it up) So there’s always going to be a main os. If you’re fortunate enough you can use an old laptop for windows. Or, if your computer is powerful enough run an windows VM. For me, Gnome Boxes offered a really easy to use experience of running windows. It worked out of the box, no special tweaks.

      • Sagrotan@lemmy.world
        3·
        10 months ago

        I installed Garuda on my wife’s gaming machine last autumn, dual boot with Windows. I haven’t seen her using Windows since then, and she said she hasn’t. She loves it btw, says, even better graphics in some games. And KDE is an eye candy anyways.

      • arc@lemm.ee
        3·
        10 months ago

        It works great too. Day to day I’ll be building Linux code, running IntelliJ under X, installing docker containers and doing other stuff all from a Windows desktop.

      • palordrolap@kbin.social
        2·
        10 months ago

        The downside to WSL is that you have to give money to, as well as deal with the corporate bullshit of, Microsoft, which defeats a significant chunk of why people use Linux in the first place.

    • arc@lemm.ee
      51·
      10 months ago

      You can use Linux and Windows at the same time with WSL. Works extremely well for people who develop Linux but also need Windows stuff.

      • nifty@lemmy.world
        7·
        10 months ago

        Hmm, WSL has created more issues for me than I’d cared for. I don’t think it’s an ideal solution.

        • arc@lemm.ee
          1·
          10 months ago

          I don’t think any solution is ideal but imo it’s better than dual booting.

        • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
          51·
          10 months ago

          Exactly it can be very hard to break away for some people but once you do its a breath of fresh air.

          • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
            5·
            10 months ago

            Meeh, I’ve had so many things in life taken away from me at some point that I just stopped caring to be honest 🤷. I just keep an open mind now (or at least try to) and am more like “oh, no more of that huh… ok, let’s see what was next on my to do list”.

            My mom always told me “people can take away everything from you, money, status, freedom… one thing they can never take away - your mind”.

            • Rodeo@lemmy.ca
              2·
              10 months ago

              I can’t find it now, but there is an Existential Comic that addresses this attitude perfectly. The philosopher is talking about how he always has some form of freedom, so he gets chained to a wall in a dungeon, and then he says “at least I still have the freedom to interpret my situation!”

              • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
                1·
                10 months ago

                Ah, yes, I saw that commic somewhere, I think someone posted it on Lemmy, but there was a twist to it at the end… can’t remember what it was, but it was funny 😂.

                • Rodeo@lemmy.ca
                  1·
                  10 months ago

                  The person who chained him to the wall asks “And how do you interpret this situation?” He replies “it sucks.”

  • Blaster M@lemmy.world
    253·
    10 months ago

    I would like MS Office to run in Linux… and not have to vomit even more money to Crossover to get it to work.

    And when you play the “LibreOffice” card, I play the “Word doc with custom layout tables” trap card!

    • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      82·
      10 months ago

      Which version? 2007 runs just fine. 2010 requres some custom libs, but there are tutorials (there is also a patch that makes it an endless free trial). 2013 is not a finished product IMO, so I haven’t used it all or tried in Wine. 2016… yeah, that’s a PITA to get working. One thing I can suggest is go with the MSVC++ installer from this link and go from there. You might also need x64dbg, but I seriously doubt it.

      • pelya@lemmy.world
        144·
        10 months ago

        MS Word past 2007 is not MS Word anymore. Microsoft fucked up the menu and the toolbar intentionally, to lock new users into their new fancy user interface with menus-as-buttons. LibreOffice is more MS Word from the usability standpoint than the MS Word 2016. Like, you can select Format - Paragraph and edit your paragraph formatting, all in one dialog, and not search for the right icon out of a hundred pictograms spread evenly over ten dynamic toolbars.

        • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
          7·
          10 months ago

          I completely agree, I like LibreOffice way more than MS Office. It’s basically got the pre 2007 look and feel, and that is what I like and what I’m used to.

          I just happen to work on getting MS Office working on Wine for a small local company and know a thing or two about getting it working in Wine.

            • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
              2·
              10 months ago

              MS took over that market in the 90’s when shit was settlig down after the UNIX wars and people didn’t actually have an alternative. MS came in and swooped the market.

              It is hard to switch when ”the defaults"are in place.

    • Andrew@mander.xyz
      72·
      10 months ago

      What’s “custom layout tables”? Anyway, I now only play https://typst.app card, because I don’t use LO Writer anymore, only LO Calc for some stuff. Typst has a ton of scripting capability and granular customization, so it will probably beat your “custom layout tables” by a mile kilometer!

      Typst is the future for document creation. Mark my words.

      • PropaGandalf@lemmy.world
        4·
        10 months ago

        You based chad. Typst is absolutely awesome. It made me ditch Libreoffice and LaTeX at the same time. Haven’t looked back since then.

        • Andrew@mander.xyz
          2·
          10 months ago

          Glad you’ve made the switch! If you want, you can hop into the discord server.

          • PropaGandalf@lemmy.world
            1·
            10 months ago

            I’m sorry but discord is a nogo for me. I’m already in the matrix room so feel free to join, we could use some more discussion ;)

            • Andrew@mander.xyz
              2·
              10 months ago

              Matrix room? Where? There is no official Matrix space.

              I agree, I hate discord, but that’s where everybody is messaging, including authors. BTW, we had a “community call” a few days ago in the discord. It’s a monthly thing.

              • PropaGandalf@lemmy.world
                1·
                10 months ago

                No it is not official unfortunately. Just search for it. Maybe you could advertise the matrix room a bit :)

      • Zoot@reddthat.com
        1·
        10 months ago

        Do you know of any Google xcel alternatives? Something that still allows public viewing, and collaborative editing?

        • Hexarei@programming.dev
          1·
          10 months ago

          I don’t know of any public ones, but you can always host your own copy of Collabora with an instance of Next cloud.

        • Andrew@mander.xyz
          1·
          10 months ago

          No, but you can allow read only access to your document on typst.app and you can collaborate with it too.

      • jkozaka@lemm.ee
        2·
        10 months ago

        It’s proprietary and paid, so even if it works great, it is still closed source. It’s also not a great sign that their website has no option to refuse cookies, only accept (not even a customise menu).

        • JustUseMint@lemmy.world
          1·
          10 months ago

          I only like CO because they directly support Wines development, and host their website. Soamy FLOSS projects don’t survive because of no funding. The cookies thing is probably an honest oversite, I’ve seen this forgotten on many sites.

          • jkozaka@lemm.ee
            2·
            10 months ago

            Fair point, even if it is only for corporate interest, funding wine is great!

    • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      74·
      10 months ago

      Yeah, you can run them with some heavy modding. I’ve done it with Photoshop 2021 and Premiere 2021. Takes a lot of work and debugging, but it’s doable.

      • doingless@lemmy.world
        18·
        10 months ago

        That’s a solid no for me and most people. I’m working on getting my office above 50% Linux but I’ll probably never get to 100%.

        • haui@lemmy.giftedmc.com
          31·
          10 months ago

          Probably an idea as old as time but wouldn’t it work to stream adobe products from a terminal server?

          Let me elaborate: two major fronts I’ve seen are “I type data and write emails” types that can easily work on the terminal and “I make heave graphics and video editing and cant work without 4090 gpu” which we usually just leave to it.

          Obviously there are more nuances but most should be doable in terminal unless no internet or very bad internet. I’m somewhat hopeful this would work. Everyone has a very efficient linux pc/laptop and the heavy lifting is done by windows vms with adobe suite running on shared A100s. And while they are not used they could be rented out for extra cost efficiency.

      • stom@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        10 months ago

        Possible, not practical.

        I use substance painter and I need it to work. I don’t want to spend hours messing around trying to make it work and jumping through hoops.

        Wine for DCC is great if you enjoy tinkering with pipelines rather than using them, but impractical for people who are trying to reliably get work done.

  • Treczoks@kbin.social
    174·
    10 months ago

    There are actually only two kinds of windows apps that don’t run on Linux: Those made not to run on Linux on purpose, and those that were made by so bad programmers that you’ll be amazed how fast the “fixme” messages scroll in the terminal window from which you started wine. I’m working with one of the latter, and I’m happy that I just finished the last project with it. This piece of software is plain shit. And it looks like they don’t intend to fix their shit.

    • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      9·
      10 months ago

      It’s not exactly on purpose, but Wine is still missing a lot of hardware level translation, like native SATA for example, so… 🤷.

      • Treczoks@kbin.social
        2·
        10 months ago

        I’m not talking about limits in low-level hardware support. I’m talking e.g. about games with anti-cheating software or productivity software with invasive license managers that are made not to run under anything but Windows.

      • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
        13·
        10 months ago

        I bet AutoCAD will collapse either way if Microsoft decided to purge legacy components from the OS.

        I’ve been saying this for years. Their code base is ancient, it’s just makeup on a granma.

        The trouble is, I think MS saw through this. Why do you think backwards compatibility suddenly got so good with Win8/8.1/10, while it really sucked with 7 (blue screens all over, especially with drivers from XP). Hell, I’ve installed XP graphics drivers on Win10 x86 LTSC 2019 and everything was hunky dory. Sure, no Nvidia control panel (it just errors out when you try to rum it), but hey, at least they work. Same with software, CorelDRAW 12 was a PITA to get working properly on Win7. On 10, it works out of the box.

        I think they were aware that their mobile OS escapades might flop, so they focused on getting better backwards compatibility. If this thing fires back (which it did), stick to your guns, you still are no.1 in the CAD software market.

        • KrokanteBamischijf@feddit.nl
          1·
          10 months ago

          While I’m not exactly an expert user of AutoCAD (my background is architecture, industrial design and full stack development), I know enough about the software where I can tell it’s based on a lot of legacy spaghetti code.

          It’s the same for Solidworks, which I know through and through, including the shitty VBA scripting environment. My CAD teachers always used to say the software is built like a wooden playhouse, which has been extended over the years to include a second story, a slide, a swingset and a roof extension. But underneath it all, it is still the same “don’t fix it if it aint broke” codebase that Dassault has taken their chances on since the '90s.

          The second someone invests any kind of money into an open source alternative, the way Blender has done for the mesh modeling industries, both Autodesk and Dassault systemes stand to lose their respective monopolies on 2D and 3D CAD.

          But the trend is not limited to CAD software only, it is also highly prevalent in software providers for governmental tasks. Most of which sell the same products for years without iteration on their codebase. The result is that government organisations have to deal with shitty software that requires their individual users to connect to the database (yes, you heard that right, every user has to manually input database credentials that include all grants on all of the relevant datasets). Most of these cronies are reselling badly thought out software, where they’ve outsourced the development to third-world shitholes. Is is a goddamn miracle that there aren’t more major incidents with government organisations.

          The only solution for this kind of bullshit is open standards that encourage an open source approach to these kinds of critical applications. Where more parties are actually encouraged to build their own software and where the businessmodel is built around being a service provider and not a magical black box salesman.

          If you’re able to stop worrying about generating revenue based on your intellectual property and focus on generating revenue from the service you provide, surrounding your product… you’ll automatically build a better product.

          • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
            1·
            10 months ago

            I completely agree, but there is a problem with that approach. It means you have to work hard… which is not what most of these software companies are ready to do.

    • Soup@lemmy.world
      6·
      10 months ago

      To be fair AutoCAD couldn’t be stable if AutoDesk built their own custom OS. It’s such hot garbage.

    • agent_flounder@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      10 months ago

      Oh holy shit you’re right! Badlands Booker! Total legend. I actually met him at an eating contest way back. Seemed like a really cool guy.

  • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
    71·
    10 months ago

    Yeah, enjoy that… I’ve tried it enough times to find the process cumbersome and full of troubleshooting. In the right state of mind I enjoy that, but I could never straight up ditch windows as someone who games often. Sometimes you just want to download a new game and play it.

    Linux will get there, if things keep going that direction. It’s not there yet, though.

    • Hexarei@programming.dev
      2·
      10 months ago

      I’ve played games on my Linux desktop without so much as even needing to care it’s running on Linux via Steam and Proton for years now, and it’s only getting better. Basically the only games I’ve seen not work are the ones with kernel level rootkit anti cheat really.

    • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      65·
      10 months ago

      Yeah, enjoy that… I’ve tried it enough times to find the process cumbersome and full of troubleshooting.

      But… that’s part of the joy 🤨…

      In the right state of mind I enjoy that, but I could never straight up ditch windows as someone who games often.

      Who said you have to ditch Windows 🤨. I mostly use Wine so I don’t have to restart and boot into Windows or fire up a VM. It’s just simpler.

  • dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    4·
    10 months ago

    Man, Badlands Chugs is gonna die due to a spectacular cardiac arrest one day. It’s like watching someone gleefully stab themselves in each one of his videos.