The Great Firewall is unequivocally authoritarian, although Western governments are certainly moving in a similar direction. On the other hand, Chinese open ML models like Qwen are more aligned with what U.S. companies like “OpenAI” originally promised before going completely closed and subscription only. These Chinese open models represent a more promising future than the grim and dystopian direction the US is heading with AI.
Like the tooth fairy, there’s no such thing as “authoritarianism”, but even if there was, you’d have a difficult time making the case that allowing the US surveillance state to operate within your borders, is “anti-authoritarian”.
The US is more likely than any other country to harm you psychologically (or physically), coup your government, misinform you, or push far-right propaganda, all based on the information they gain about you and your peers through their spying platforms. India’s most popular social network for example, is Facebook, meaning the US controls nearly the entire social media and information landscape of a country many times larger than itself.
You can watch a vid here on why the PRC is not naive enough to do this.
Thank you for claiming that authoritarianism literally does not exist. It makes it very easy to know that you are a fundamentally unserious person who I don’t need to listen to at all.
Authoritarian in the modern day is only used by westerners to denigrate countries that build alternatives models outside the western order (Cuba, Vietnam, PRC, Venezuela, Iran, Iraq, etc), so much so that it basically means: “when you tell white people they can’t do imperialism”.
Somehow, this country is excluded from its definition:
Most of us on Lemmy regularly criticize the US and big tech, so no disagreement there. Yes, we all know the US is a corrupt, warmongering, exploitative, profiteering country and that both our government and our oligarchs are plundering the world for their own profit while the average US citizen is seeing their quality of life continually wane with each passing decade. The US is for sure authoritarian with the collaboration of big tech and 3-letter agencies to spy on citizens, and also the regime change wars that destroy sovereign nations and install leaders more favorable to US oligarchs.
Meanwhile, the quality of life and wealth for the average citizen in China has increased in many respects. That doesn’t mean the Chinese government and Chinese oligarchs aren’t also exercising an unjust degree of control over their own citizens. The Chinese government surveilling its citizens and tightly controlling the flow of information is not being done out of benevolence. I just called what the US does authoritarian, so how would that not apply equally to China? Or is there another term you’d prefer?
That doesn’t mean the Chinese government and Chinese oligarchs aren’t also exercising an unjust degree of control over their own citizens. The Chinese government surveilling its citizens and tightly controlling the flow of information is not being done out of benevolence.
Just vague, unsourced orientalism. You only feel this “in your gut”, because your are propagandized by western media to hate the enemies of the US.
The Great Firewall is unequivocally authoritarian, although Western governments are certainly moving in a similar direction. On the other hand, Chinese open ML models like Qwen are more aligned with what U.S. companies like “OpenAI” originally promised before going completely closed and subscription only. These Chinese open models represent a more promising future than the grim and dystopian direction the US is heading with AI.
Like the tooth fairy, there’s no such thing as “authoritarianism”, but even if there was, you’d have a difficult time making the case that allowing the US surveillance state to operate within your borders, is “anti-authoritarian”.
The US is more likely than any other country to harm you psychologically (or physically), coup your government, misinform you, or push far-right propaganda, all based on the information they gain about you and your peers through their spying platforms. India’s most popular social network for example, is Facebook, meaning the US controls nearly the entire social media and information landscape of a country many times larger than itself.
You can watch a vid here on why the PRC is not naive enough to do this.
Thank you for claiming that authoritarianism literally does not exist. It makes it very easy to know that you are a fundamentally unserious person who I don’t need to listen to at all.
Authoritarian in the modern day is only used by westerners to denigrate countries that build alternatives models outside the western order (Cuba, Vietnam, PRC, Venezuela, Iran, Iraq, etc), so much so that it basically means: “when you tell white people they can’t do imperialism”.
Somehow, this country is excluded from its definition:
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Most of us on Lemmy regularly criticize the US and big tech, so no disagreement there. Yes, we all know the US is a corrupt, warmongering, exploitative, profiteering country and that both our government and our oligarchs are plundering the world for their own profit while the average US citizen is seeing their quality of life continually wane with each passing decade. The US is for sure authoritarian with the collaboration of big tech and 3-letter agencies to spy on citizens, and also the regime change wars that destroy sovereign nations and install leaders more favorable to US oligarchs.
Meanwhile, the quality of life and wealth for the average citizen in China has increased in many respects. That doesn’t mean the Chinese government and Chinese oligarchs aren’t also exercising an unjust degree of control over their own citizens. The Chinese government surveilling its citizens and tightly controlling the flow of information is not being done out of benevolence. I just called what the US does authoritarian, so how would that not apply equally to China? Or is there another term you’d prefer?
Just vague, unsourced orientalism. You only feel this “in your gut”, because your are propagandized by western media to hate the enemies of the US.