People use LLMs to code now, this is not news. Why is claude taking credit in the first place?
Anything generated by an LLM cannot claim copyright, per supreme court rulings. So it is critical to attribute the portions of code that cannot be licensed.
The Lutris team is small, not corporate, not speed obsessed, etc. I’m inclined to trust them to be among those developers who can use generated code without slopping nonsense all over a code base they know they will probably be stuck maintaining.
It’s not my decision wether lutris has ai code in it or not. The maintainers and contributors can decide what works for them, that’s how open source works. I never found a use for lutris and maybe that’s why I don’t care.
Someone please fork Lutris so we can make a sanitary version without this filth !
If it’s good I don’t care. Those people know what they’re doing
I would never use the product, just for that very line…
This is America in a nutshell: People without skills. Without knowledge, without foresight demanding to be served exactly the way they want to be served
And you better do it for free!
The fuck does country have to do with any of this
Good for him. Y’all are insanely prejudiced and have lost the thread.
AI is for losers and suckers
This is every thread on the topic of AI.
It’s toxic comments and spam downvoting disagreement. It’s low effort performative ‘activism’ by people, most of which are too lazy to even type a comment.
Anyone participating in the harassment of an open source dev needs to fuck right off. Their opinion about AI doesn’t give them license to be toxic assholes.
But it’s so much easier for me to complain and pile on burn out open source maintainers than for me to be part of the solution
/s
And, as with all hotbutton topics, there are certain to be a large amount of bots amping up the outrage and confusion
Oh great the campaign of harassment is continuing. Keep going guys, hopefully you can get another dev to quit a project, and I know none of the people commenting here have what it takes to fork and maintain it.
You wouldn’t be doing anything different if you were getting paid by corporate interests to hurt the open source movement. Great job you can be proud of yourselves.
Well either does the maintainer it seems. And I don’t believe we look at all code. It is hard to understand someone else’s code hell its hard to understand your own after awhike.
Others mention that some recent versions appear to have been unusable. If this is due to LLM-generated code and the dev doubles down on using it, I’m not sure there’s too much value in them carrying on development and burying more artificially generated foot guns in there than human coding tends to have already.
That aside, the climate, economic and social problems of the GenAI boom are hardly unknown. For the dev to ignore that is… distasteful. If they won’t quit using LLMs without also quitting the project, Lutris might end up another regrettable victim of the AI-Slopalypse.
Opposing GenAI isn’t trying to hurt the Open Source movement, it’s trying to call out the false messiah that has deluded some people into believing it’s the future of software development.
Y’all are just prejudice. Making up what ifs and whatanoutism. If you think you can do better then fork it. But you can’t, and won’t.
whatanoutism
I don’t think pointing out problematic aspects of LLM use is whataboutism, given that the maintainer’s LLM use is the topic of conversation. A whataboutism would be “But what about Microsoft? They use GenAI too!” because that has nothing to do with this specific developer using it.
This is simply about the reasons I disapprove of using GenAI in general and relying on LLMs for coding in particular.
If you think you can do better then fork it. But you can’t, and won’t.
There are a lot of things I can’t do myself. I don’t see how that should mean I can’t criticise the way they are done.
It also doesn’t mean people have to stop using it entirely. Approval is not a binary. This isn’t a company we’re paying money to, it’s not an atrocity, and it’s not particularly large in scale (which is why making a witch-hunt out of it is dumb too).
Opposing GenAI is free. Do it. It just consists of not using the software you don’t agree with. It’s great I do it all the time.
Coordinating attacks on social media to harass a developer is not great. It’s 4chan-like but at least the 4chan goblins know that they are the bad guys. This is just as slimy but with none of the self awareness.
Opposing GenAI is free. Do it. It just consists of not using the software you don’t agree with.
That doesn’t mitigate the environmental damage caused by others using it. I’m not opposed to the technology, nor strictly to its application, but to the irresponsible wau it’s being handled currently.
Coordinating attacks on social media to harass a developer is not great
You’re right, I agree on that. Efforts should target the companies that offer it, rather than individuals.
It’s 4chan-like but at least the 4chan goblins know that they are the bad guys. This is just as slimy but with none of the self awareness.
I’m not sure the 4chan goblins actually believe they are bad guys so much as ironically embrace that image
That doesn’t mitigate the environmental damage caused by others using it. I’m not opposed to the technology, nor strictly to its application, but to the irresponsible wau it’s being handled currently.
Well i guess that’s a great reason to harass individuals who never wished harm on anybody then 🤷
Read the rest of the comment. It’s not.
Yeah i get it. It’s just that the whole situation pisses me off to no end. There are exponentially more people destructively contributing to this campaign, than people constructively contributing code to projects. Cause it’s easy and lazy and takes literally zero effort.
The only effect is to punish developers for having successful projects. They’d be fine if they were just dicking around on toy projects, but they chose to do something that matters, and to do it for free, and now they have haters. A lot more haters than helpers too !
We are collectively sending the message that it’s better not to stick your head out and publish open source code, and this will wreak havoc on the already overtaxed FOSS ecosystem. Corporate tech must be rubbing its hand in glee now that we’re doing what they never achieved in 30 years.
that it’s better not to stick your head out and publish open source code
I like the implication that open source code must include AI, and so the only recourse is to reject… all open source projects?
You know, we had a FOSS without AI like ten years ago. I’d prefer to keep that one.
Never had an issue with Lutris. Using AI doesn’t necessarily mean vibecoding
Anyone else out here searching wtf is lutris
It used to be more popular when Linux gaming was harder.
Its still very very useful for retro gaming on linux and running pirated stuff.
Biggest problem with this will be when whatever agent they use to write code inevitably spits out copyrighted code and the project gets killed.
If you don’t know every single codebase the genAI LLM is trained off of, you cannot trust it. Might as well be playing Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun. You’ll have better odds of surviving than if you use genAI LLM slop.
Lemmings being outraged is hilarious to me. We’re just gonna pretend the pre-LLM time period didn’t have people mindlessly copy paste code into all of our known projects? At least with LLMs you can keep asking questions/sources for each prompt response unlike in the past. In the past you’d just get rude remarks by someone who ultimately didn’t help you.
We’re just gonna pretend the pre-LLM time period didn’t have people mindlessly copy paste code into all of our known projects?
No, IEatDaFeesh, that’s something that first-years do. Are you a first-year?
Ohh, so you invent your own code/algorithms for every project? I am assuming someone of your caliber doesn’t ever need to install packages with functions other people made (gasp) because that would be beneath you right? Even copying the code straight from the documentation is an insult to our intelligence! Developers who use LLMs as a search engine to find documentation are morally wrong because that leads to copying code from the documentation! You’re right, only first years would copy code outlined in the documentation!
You’ve opened my eyes because now I see that even using the base functions of a language is technically copying code from the creators of said language. I realize that I never wrote those sort functions in the backend so I’m committing computer science sin!
Every library my team has ever included in a project has gone through rounds of evaluation to make sure it is 1. publically trusted, 2. well tested, 3. and still in active development. I have no idea what this has to do with mindlessly copying code.
so you invent your own code/algorithms for every project?
If you’re going to submit an algorithm that isn’t maintained and you don’t know how it works, I’m not merging your pull request.
if you just straight up copypasta’d code before AI you were just as big of an idiot as these sloppers are.
AI bros try not to be assholes challenge [IMPOSSIBLE]
AI assisted coding is okay as long as you’re transparent about it and don’t do this shit.
AI assisted coding is okay as long as you’re transparent about it and don’t do this shit.
It allows idiots like me who cannot program for real to make some useful tools (I use it to make Basic scripts for my own use in LibreOffice, for example). That said, IMO it’s crucial that these things are self contained, at least for now. So far all LLMs are way too error prone and no way is the Lutris author reviewing all generated code. Nobody does. All productivity gains are lost then.
Based. Get those AI whiners out.
There must be a /s missing there. 😄
Not at all. LLM 's are very useful. Yes they can write slop but they can also automate a lot of arbitrary work away. The AI hate has become a bit of a cult refusing the see the things LLM’s are useful for and only focussing on its faults.
The dev even took the effort to mark the LLM made changes but that only resulted in arbitrary whining.
I’ve been using Lutris for several years, but after reading about the LLM additions, I’ve removed it from my system and am now solely using Heroic for my non-Steam games.
