Jesus almighty this .ml instance has lost the fucking plot. China is absolutely an authoritarian state committing genocide, for fucks sake.
There is a wide freedom of speech, except for criticism of the government. There are essentially free markets, but with strict government oversight greater than in the western world.
China apologists are the worst, honestly. This is coming from someone who truly believes that this century belongs to the Chinese and wishes the best for them. Including the expansion of rights for Chinese people.
But pull ya heads in.
China isn’t committing a genocide. If it were we’d have SOME proof, as there’s so much proof of Gaza even though Israel is a surveillance state that severely represses the Palestinian people.
Your views on China and Chinese people are shaped by the US propaganda machine, rather than evidence.
I know you mean well but most of us started believing the same bs you do, there’s criticism of China within our spaces but it contends with reality rather than the propaganda you’re repeating.
Yeah, we always have proof of every genocide happening, because nobody would try to keep it secret
You missed my point. How come there’s not a single piece of evidence? Not one victim we know for sure? No video, photographs, nothing?
Apologise.
Authoritarian Totalitarianism Orwellian CCP Uyghur 50gorzabajillion dead Mao Chineseionaire Tiananmen social credit score xi xinping is Winnie the poo and that’s funny not racist
China is “authoritarian” from the perspective of capitalists, but liberating for the working classes. China is not committing genocide. Chinese citizens can and do critique the government, what’s often censored is reactionary views or capitalists trying to foment liberalization. The markets are not free, and that’s a good thing, as it’s key to the success of China’s Socialist Market Economy.
Imagine defending a genocide. You should show some shame and apologise.
Fyi this strategy is not effective. You’re literally accusing the only political group who cares about genocide of being pro-genocide because you don’t know what the word means and you’ve learned to hate socialists. Your viewpoints are incoherent, not real, and we can just shrug them off like one would do a child’s rage.
The only thing socialists will apologize for, to you, is that your mode of production has clearly let you down in a sad and meaningful way.
Defending genocide? Absolutely not. Genocide is the greatest of all crimes against humanity, so when accusations of genocide are falsely levied then they should be resolutely denounced, lest they undermine real genocide, such as what Palestinians face at the hands of the Zionist entity. I have no shame for dispelling atrocity propaganda that undermines existing struggles, same as I would for the supposed “white genocide” in South Africa.
authoritarian state
Meaningless pejorative
committing genocid
The UN, OIC and everyone not directly funded by the US state department would disagree.
essentially free markets, but with strict government oversight
I think you should learn what free market means. Also simply not true, while private capital exists every strategic sector (the commanding heights) is publicly owned (land, energy, transport, finance).
Apologise.
For what? Bursting your little sinophobic fantasy bubble?
“Genocide denial” isn’t a magic spell. Do you not deny the genocide of white South Africans?
Also, do you think we haven’t gone over the Wikipedia entry with a fine-toothed comb already?
The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing Salafi terrorist into Xinjiang, and once its efforts failed, it made lemonade out of its lemon by concocting and promoting a genocide narrative.
The only countries pushing this narrative are the “always the same map” imperial core countries, which just so happen to be largely the same ones supporting Israel’s genocide.
Almost no predominantly-Muslim country buys the Uyghur genocide narrative, because they know it’s bullshit, because they talked to the Uyghurs themselves.
https://twitter.com/un_hrc/status/1578003299827171330 #HRC51 | Draft resolution A/HRC/51/L.6 on holding a debate on the situation of human rights in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of #China, was REJECTED.
- The Uyghur Human Rights Project is a product of the National Endowment for Democracy, which is the American government’s main regime change NGO.
- A Reddit AMA Claiming To Be A Uyghur Quickly Exposes A CIA Asset Slandering China
- The Xinjiang Genocide Allegations Are Unjustified
- Uyghur genocide allegations
- American Debunks All Major Western Propaganda on Uyghurs and Xinjiang
- US-Funded Uyghur Activists Train as Soldiers of Empire
- The blueprint of regime change operations How regime change happens in the 21st century with your consent
Genocide is more than just killing, it’s the deliberate destruction of a people including its culture and institutions.
(a) Show me the Uyghur bodies
(b) Show me the serious bodily or mental harm
(c) Show me the conditions calculated to bring about physical destruction in whole or in part
(d) Show me the measures intended to prevent births within the group
In accordance with China’s affirmative action policies towards ethnic minorities, all non-Han ethnic groups were subject to different laws and were usually allowed to have two children in urban areas, and three or four in rural areas.
(e) Show me the forcible transfer of children from one group to another group
violent incidents in East Turkestan
I wonder where those Salafi terrorists came from? Oh right: the US, UK, and Israel organized, funded, and trained them, as they did Al Qaeda and the various flavors of ISIS/ISIL, including the “moderate rebels” that just took over Syria. The blueprint of regime change operations How regime change happens in the 21st century with your consent.
That’s the absolute truth.
and a surprisingly bitter pill for so many to swallow; it tells you instantly who has been chugging the propaganda kool-aid and they get smug about it when you try to point it out to them.
book recommedation: No Escape by Nury Turkel
Nury Turkel is an American attorney, author, public official, and foreign policy expert based in Washington, D.C. He is a former chair of the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom, and former president of the Uyghur American Association.
The UAA was founded in 1998. The UAA has had tax-exempt status since April 1998.[25] Uyghur activist Rushan Abbas played a significant role in the establishment of the UAA. She went on to become UAA Vice President and was the first Uyghur reporter to broadcast daily to the Uyghur region, for Radio Free Asia, in 1998
Very serious person.
Rushan Abbas
Abbas worked as a contractor for the U.S. military aiding in the interrogations of Uyghur detainees at Guantanamo Bay.
Very serious activist activity of aiding the torture of those you’re “advocating” for.
Is she the one who made an AMA on reddit about the Uyghur?
It was surprising that even stormfront user’s were calling her out.
Reddit > feddit
Or that those comments didn’t get purged
No Escape by Nury Turkel
Part Anne Frank and Hannah Arendt, No Escape shares Turkel’s personal story while drawing back the curtain on the historically unprecedented and increasing threat from China.
“Part Holocaust trivialisation and Zionist cold war anti-communist No Escape shares the state departments line…”
Certainly a source.
Personally, I prefer Xinjiang: A Report and Resource Compilation. It’s better than that memoir by a Statesian politician, and uses a combination of western reporting and hard empirical data.
Sure, the about page of the collective says a lot about their agenda already but I’m gonna check out the article in detail later.
As you should, it’s very in-depth and deserves it.
Yeah it’s always good to be aware of the biases and such, but afaik that resource has lots of sources so you can check for yourself
Genuinely asking, why are there a lot of “China good US bad” posts on lemmy? Like is it Chinese citizens posting this, pro-communist westerners? Bots?
I ask because when I see pro-capitalist posts elsewhere I assume they are bots or Americans that watch too much Fox News.
It’s just communism isn’t vilified around us like it.was, still is, around you your whole life
to break the monotony of the deluge of china bad propaganda articles that infest all of the western internet?
China gives us hope that multipolarity is coming and that our countries can also develop and lift millions out of poverty
There are some Chinese users, but the majority are just communists from different countries, not neceessarily western ones. Lemmy was made by communists, so there are more of us here.
but…isnt china bad?
No, it’s one of the best countries in the world for the working classes at the present moment. It’s regularly improving, and though it has its issues, it’s doing well to work through them, which is more than can be said of the dying western empire.
/s
On my part, or janewaydidnothingwrong’s?
I didnt think I had to include “/s” on this given the context of the post but here we are lol
I get what you mean but people constantly say very misinformed stuff about China without joking
yeah but that is actually the joke I was making, anyway lesson learned
No, it’s not perfect, but it’s as good as it gets
Better than, say, Norway? By what metrics?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_rankings_of_Norway
Never asks what Norway is doing to Amazonian people
Norway is a dictatorship of capital, and depends on imperialism to subsidize their saftey nets.
Unlike this picture, real life contains many shades of grey. There are some areas that could be improved but in other areas they excel about any other nation. It’s not black and white.
Life doesn’t have to be about identity and this picture screams “my identity is a tankie”, which is cool but just means it’s shit bias. Equally, saying a generic “China bad” screams that someone doesn’t alot about its politics
What’s shit about communists?
I have no issue with communists. I’m in the anti capitalist camp myself.
I guess all I’m trying to say is idealising nations as utpoian is unrealistic and demonizig them as dystopian is equally as unfair.
There are obviously exceptions where governments do treat their citizens like trash. I don’t like what America is doing at the moment. I try not to think in binaries generally, learning not to anyway
Communists don’t idealize socialist countries, not are we utopians.
I didn’t say that
The ROC had its white terror moments.
You are deranged
no u
What makes you think so?
