Textual words from them:
It’s our first step towards a more modern, more beautiful, and more customizable Thunderbird experience. We think you’re going to love it, and we are endlessly grateful for all of your support throughout the years 💙
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I hope they fixed the performance as well. I have several crashes per day on debian with version 102.11.0
When starting it I have to wait for a bit before I click anything, otherwise it crashes. It also 100%s one CPU core regularly, I don’t know if that is supposed to happen. It also sometimes does not show the content of certain emails. All that said it’s still the best mail client I’ve used so far.
Looks very gnome. Sadly I use KDE so it still looks like a foreign object, just like Firefox. I want native app to look like native apps, is that too much to ask?
is that too much to ask?
Let’s say it’s a lot to ask, especially when the app also needs to be crossplatform and behave functionally the same on all platforms.
Maybe it could be done, in theory, with a lot of work, but it’s definitely not at all an easy task, especially for a project that seemed dead and buried just a few years ago and with just a handful of volunteer devs.
Most crossplatform apps that I can think of don’t really look like native apps in any system. I’m thinking of Chromium, VSCode, Discord, Steam etc.
The only one I can think of right now is Whatsapp, but I’m pretty sure they actually developed three independent apps and maintain all three, for Android, iOS and Windows. They all look and feel like native apps because they are. Please tell me if I’m wrong.
Still, you can’t expect all, or even most developers to do something like that, especially when you start including all the different DEs and themes and so on.
It took one release for Thunderbird to go from a pretty ancient looking program to one of the best looking ones out there.
Can it connect to Exchange without a paid plugin?
I’ve been using DavMail, which is FOSS. It works as a local proxy to translate IMAP to Exchange API.
uhhh… paid plugin? just use IMAP
My work has IMAP shut off and we can only use MAPI. There’s a paid thunderbird plugin that adds MAPI support, which is likely what this person is hoping for natively 👍
Ahhhh fair enough, I didn’t realize MAPI was a paid plugin, that suuuuucks
EDIT: Reading up on this, it sounds like it doesn’t work because Microsoft doesn’t want it to work. MAPI is not an open standard like POP and IMAP. And they’re actually in the process of moving to EWS, which is also not an open standard. That fucking sucks!
Other email clients support Exchange/365, such as Spark. And also there’s the fact there is the built in Windows Mail which supports it (of course) which Thunderbird has to compete with. And once it’s updated to “Outlook” it’ll stop looking tragic too.
So Thunderbird really should offer it to compete. Lots of people have Hotmail after all and would like full integration.
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I used Thunderbird about 10 years ago? Looks amazing compared to what I remember.
I used Thubderbird about 10 minutes ago and this indeed looks amazing compared to what I remember.Edit; how to downgrade to the version? why still no conversation view? 😭
Great. Downgrading deleted my profile. Thanks a lot for the constant “innovation”,gonna take me hours to set thst shit up again.
Edit 2; no matter how frustrated you are with thunderbird, DO NOT INSTALL OUTLOOK
If you downgrade, expect glitches with your too new profile. Obviously it’s not going to be backwards-compatible.
You’re a moron lol
I don’t like the new logo; it looks mean. The previous logo showed a charming bird that delivered my mail, the new one portrays a bird of prey clutching a letter, it will probably bite you if you try to retrieve the letter.
Is this better?
Now it looks like it’s hiding something.
Oh no! It looks like an electron app.
Is it one though? I’m having a difficult time finding the source code of this new version.
No
Can anyone confirm whether or not it’s built on Electron?
The closest I can find is from Feb 2023, saying that at that time it would not be Electron:
Mozilla also still plans to use the Firefox web browser as the core platform for Thunderbird. That leaves Thunderbird as one of the few cross-platform mail applications that isn’t an Electron app or based on web technologies in some way
So possibly Electron-like but based on Firefox rather than Chromium?
Electron apps bundle chromium…. It would be ridiculous for Mozilla to bundle their competitions web browser to make Thunderbird lol.
Eh… it’s pretty, I guess, but it’s just too “appified” for power users. My Thunderbird UI is festooned with useful buttons and menus for quick access, and I like the old style of having elements tightly spaced to maximize contextual awareness.
This reeks of form over function. Yuck.
You can still customize a lot, they just hide a bunch of extra functionality in the customization menu.
